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Silmakuoppaanikinko
799 Posts
On January 26 2011 02:05 natewOw wrote: I did read your post. You are clearly new to the game, so I'll give you a little slack. Please see this person's post, which proves me right. Nope, he said TvT was hard to all-in (relative to TvP and TvZ no doubt). He meant that TvT was his hardest matchup to all-in. | ||
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BitterStriFe
United States89 Posts
On January 26 2011 02:58 natewOw wrote: Is somebody raging? I don't believe so. Contribute to the conversation please. And you are? Anyway, understandable that you want to all in in a TvT, those games can be a hit or miss. Also, thanks for posting, i'll try it sometime. | ||
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Mowr
Sweden791 Posts
On January 26 2011 06:29 thesmoosh wrote: You actually don't have the money to get stim immediately if you go rax > marine/oc > techlab, unless you let your rax idle which isn't ideal. I would say get two marines then tech lab then stem. That way the two marines can deny a scouting worker as well, and you end up with no idle time and exactly enough money to get stim right after the tech lab finishes. Then your macro isn't good enough. I even just tried it myself and the timings line up nicely. | ||
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ChickenLips
2912 Posts
Good Terran will scout => oh nice a barracks for my marines to pick off (which you cant even defend since you have no marines because you decided to build reactors instead of them) => you lose your timing, you are behind since he knows exactly what you are doing. Doing all ins in TvT especially is counter productive, because the more you win with it the worse it becomes since T has such an easy time defending with bunkers + siege tanks later. So in all essence youre investing time into a strategy that is bound to become worse with time. | ||
zatic
Zurich15353 Posts
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TibblesEvilCat
United Kingdom766 Posts
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mAnarch
United States36 Posts
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DestroManiak
257 Posts
On January 27 2011 00:06 mAnarch wrote: Didn't have time to read through the thing entirely so I apologize if this sounds redundant. I am almost certain that the reactors build time is that of a barracks, and that this build would produce at a similar rate as getting 5 barracks. With 5 barracks you do not need gas, and you do not need to have non functioning barracks while you wait for a reactor to pop. I believe the mass of marines will be greater with 5 barracks, and suggest it to anyone trying this. The point of reactor is to disguise your all in Also 5 barracks seems alot to support in an all in strategy | ||
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Starshaped
Sweden575 Posts
I was gonna upload two replays, but the replay site I use is down. Can anyone recommend a site? | ||
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OmNomSpy
United States68 Posts
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Starshaped
Sweden575 Posts
http://replayfu.com/r/KJTKWq http://replayfu.com/r/753gPm http://replayfu.com/r/h7fCdt Not perfect games by any means, but it's what I have to show for now to give you an idea of the build in action. On January 27 2011 02:26 OmNomSpy wrote: "I'm going to post the Maka all-in word for word and name it after myself." Get a clue, please. | ||
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TALegion
United States1187 Posts
On January 26 2011 01:56 Starshaped wrote: Hi there! I'm a big fan of all-ins, and I also play Terran. You'd get along well with.... Every other Terran. | ||
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Autunno
Brazil147 Posts
On January 27 2011 07:07 Starshaped wrote: Replays: http://replayfu.com/r/KJTKWq http://replayfu.com/r/753gPm http://replayfu.com/r/h7fCdt Not perfect games by any means, but it's what I have to show for now to give you an idea of the build in action. Get a clue, please. I think it would be better if you put these replays at the original post, so that newcomers may see it. | ||
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Starshaped
Sweden575 Posts
On January 27 2011 07:10 TALegion wrote: You'd get along well with.... Every other Terran. ^_^'' On January 27 2011 07:12 Autunno wrote: I think it would be better if you put these replays at the original post, so that newcomers may see it. I already did. | ||
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Autunno
Brazil147 Posts
Builds posted in TL spread like crazy, just the other day the ultra lisk build was out, a guy use it against me on the same day. | ||
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DestroManiak
257 Posts
I think it's be very useful if you explained what you are paying attention to when you are scouting. What do you do if he has walled in, what if he didnt, what if he has two gas etc. Is there any chance that he might have a sieged tank when you attack. Is it a good idea to fight for xel nagas that could spot your push Also the positions for proxies would help. | ||
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Mowr
Sweden791 Posts
On January 27 2011 21:05 DestroManiak wrote: Is there any chance that he might have a sieged tank when you attack. With racks first and If you make the techlab on the factory one tank will be out at ~5:50 and siege mode at ~6:30. So I don't think hitting later than that is a good timing. But of course, it depends on how good the rest of the defense is too. | ||
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PiraticaL
United States6 Posts
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/129213-1v1-terran-blistering-sands Thought this would apply since someone mentioned the siege tanks. I know I'm not diamond or anything but I figured I could contribute. and for some reason sc2replayed has this as my old name? not sure why... | ||
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danielsan
Romania399 Posts
then i build a 15 cc and later a factory. this one is the extended danielsan build. | ||
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Starshaped
Sweden575 Posts
On January 27 2011 21:05 DestroManiak wrote: In one of your replays, your second barrack finished right when you had 50 gas, that was when my eyes shined in admiration :D (in a very anime like fashion) I think it's be very useful if you explained what you are paying attention to when you are scouting. What do you do if he has walled in, what if he didnt, what if he has two gas etc. Is there any chance that he might have a sieged tank when you attack. Is it a good idea to fight for xel nagas that could spot your push Also the positions for proxies would help. Sure, I can explain a bit. The scout is just to make sure he isn't doing anything strange. I want to see a barracks and a gas, then move back and build my proxy barracks. Most high-level Terrans won't wall off in TvT, since the cons outweigh the pros. However, if the Terran discovers what's up, he can easily lift his barracks and build bunkers/depots to block and yes, that can cost you the game. If it's just a wall-off with no bunker, it is still doable. Focus a depot and once killed right-click one of his mineral patches with your SCVs, then attack-move as they are on his marines (to circumnavigate any movement issues you might otherwise encounter) and micro your marines etc. If he didn't wall-off, like I said before, surround bunker(s) and go for the kill. And yes it's great to fight for the towers, as long as you do it subtly, i.e send a marine or two to yours. Don't show him 5+ marines just to take control of a tower, but definitely bare in mind their importance. The positions aren't set in stone. Just pick a spot where (you think) your opponent is unlikely to scout. Some good example are the gold expansions on Delta Quadrant, near the third expansion on Jungle Basin, the high-ground just outside the natural ramp on Steppes of War etc. Experiment for yourself to see what seems to work and what seems to get scouted more easily. Avoid natural scout-paths and anything in-range of a tower, of course. Also avoid too obvious positions, e.g. inside the natural expansion on Jungle Basin. | ||
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