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Hi there!
I'm a big fan of all-ins, and I also play Terran. TvT is notably difficult to all-in in, and even harder to all-in early. As such, I've racked my brain trying to come up with different all-ins and I do have a fair share. However, for maps like Junle Basin and Delta Quadrant, the only way to avoid a large macro game is to win really early. Jungle Basin has the added advantage that a lot of people will greedily fast expand on it.
So, anyway, what I've developed is a variation on the Maka all-in we can find in TvP. It goes as follows:
12rax
13gas
14rax (proxy)
14marine
15OC
Add reactor to the 12rax after first marine
Add reactor to the proxy rax as soon as its done (at this point remove SCVs from gas)
Add a third rax as minerals pile up
Pump marines
Pull every single SCV but 2-3 (they, along with mules and a small bank, will be enough to keep your macro going)
Attack
When to attack depends, and needs to be experimented with more, but somewhere around 5-6 minutes in-game time.
The SCVs main priority is to surround any bunkers, to easily let you snipe them with focus fire (and potentially trap marines). After this is done it all comes down to micro.
I'm still working on it and have had good results thus far, so I thought I'd share it with anyone else looking for that illustrious quick all-in TvT strategy! It's always nice to have the option to end any game quickly, in any match up, so that's what this hopefully can do. My other all-ins in TvT can stretch the game as far as 15-20 minutes, so this build is a nice alternative.
Starshaped
Edit: If anyone's curious, I'm around 2900 Master EU.
Edit 2: Replays:
http://replayfu.com/r/KJTKWq
http://replayfu.com/r/753gPm
http://replayfu.com/r/h7fCdt
http://replayfu.com/r/8dp3ps
Not perfect games by any means, but it's what I have to show for now to give you an idea of the build in action.
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Firstly, have I missed something? Since when is there an [S] tag and what category of posts does it represent?
Secondly, how can you not have any replays? Please add replays so we can all see the build in action.
A Terran who loves all-ins? Clearly, you jest.
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On January 26 2011 01:56 Starshaped wrote:
Hi there!
I'm a big fan of all-ins, and I also play Terran. TvT is notably difficult to all-in in, and even harder to all-in early.
Ummmmmm, Terran are incredibly easy to all-in with. Also, "your" strat is the same strat being used by half the Terrans in GSL. Frankly, I'm pretty sure everyone is a little sick of it by now.
Try playing a real game for once.
User was warned for this post
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On January 26 2011 01:56 Starshaped wrote:
I'm a big fan of all-ins, and I also play Terran
I admit, seeing this made me giggle big-time. On a more serious note, about the actual gameplan, it looks quite solid on paper from the 'deceiving' pov - you show gas and scanning will reveal only a reactor'd rax, which will probably indicate standard play to many. Sad part is that with your timing, the push comes so late that you may lose to hellions/walled off ramp or even banshees.
anyway - gl with your all-in endeavours !
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On January 26 2011 02:12 n0ise wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 01:56 Starshaped wrote:
I'm a big fan of all-ins, and I also play Terran I admit, seeing this made me giggle big-time. On a more serious note, about the actual gameplan, it looks quite solid on paper from the 'deceiving' pov - you show gas and scanning will reveal only a reactor'd rax, which will probably indicate standard play to many. Sad part is that with your timing, the push comes so late that you may lose to hellions/walled off ramp or even banshees. anyway - gl with your all-in endeavours !
Protoss probably all in way more then terrans, that's my expierence atleast. Banshee's without cloack are out at 6:30 so this rush is in time. You will lose to a wall off most certainly. But that he will only do if he scouts the hidden rax. So yeah, this is just a good cheese. I've encountered 2 rax all ins before. But that is easily defended by A. Making a bunker. Or if that fails, make a hellion and micro it well. This looks more refined. I might use it, sometimes I just can't be bothered to play TvT on a map like Delta Quadrant.
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On January 26 2011 02:02 Obsolescence wrote:
Firstly, have I missed something? Since when is there an [S] tag and what category of posts does it represent?
Secondly, how can you not have any replays? Please add replays so we can all see the build in action.
A Terran who loves all-ins? Clearly, you jest.
I was thinking it meant Strategy, but now I see there's no such tag. I'll just remove it. I'll post some replays later.
On January 26 2011 02:05 natewOw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 01:56 Starshaped wrote:
Hi there!
I'm a big fan of all-ins, and I also play Terran. TvT is notably difficult to all-in in, and even harder to all-in early. Ummmmmm, Terran are incredibly easy to all-in with. Also, "your" strat is the same strat being used by half the Terrans in GSL. Frankly, I'm pretty sure everyone is a little sick of it by now. Try playing a real game for once.
Try reading my post before responding.
On January 26 2011 02:12 n0ise wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 01:56 Starshaped wrote:
I'm a big fan of all-ins, and I also play Terran I admit, seeing this made me giggle big-time. On a more serious note, about the actual gameplan, it looks quite solid on paper from the 'deceiving' pov - you show gas and scanning will reveal only a reactor'd rax, which will probably indicate standard play to many. Sad part is that with your timing, the push comes so late that you may lose to hellions/walled off ramp or even banshees. anyway - gl with your all-in endeavours !
Well, they won't likely scan by then anyway, but yeah, it is deceptive alright. Wall-off might be an issue, but people rarely do that in TvT. Hellions might be an issue but really, unless he has quite a few and blueflame, marines can deal with them well. banshees might also pose a threat, we'll see.
Thanks =)
Edit: It seems i can't change the topic name. If a mod sees this I would appreciate if you remove the [S] tag.
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oGsTOP's marine all in i the gsl finals on Steppes (I think) was roughly
12 racks - reactor after first marine
13 gas
15/16 OC
~19 2x racks + a fourth racks shortly after
all in with everything and hit the other base at ~6 min.
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On January 26 2011 02:05 natewOw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 01:56 Starshaped wrote:
Hi there!
I'm a big fan of all-ins, and I also play Terran. TvT is notably difficult to all-in in, and even harder to all-in early. Ummmmmm, Terran are incredibly easy to all-in with. Also, "your" strat is the same strat being used by half the Terrans in GSL. Frankly, I'm pretty sure everyone is a little sick of it by now. Try playing a real game for once.
Try reading my post before responding. [/QUOTE]
I did read your post. You are clearly new to the game, so I'll give you a little slack. Please see this person's post, which proves me right.
On January 26 2011 02:32 Mowr wrote:
oGsTOP's marine all in i the gsl finals on Steppes (I think) was roughly
12 racks - reactor after first marine
13 gas
15/16 OC
~19 2x racks + a fourth racks shortly after
all in with everything and hit the other base at ~6 min.
Your strategy is far from original.
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You're embarrassing yourself. Just stop posting.
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On January 26 2011 02:49 Starshaped wrote:
You're embarrassing yourself. Just stop posting.
Actually, I'm pretty sure you're the one embarrassing yourself; you can't even defend your "own" strategy. Anything I post, you respond with a troll-ish 1-liner. Please add something to the discussion, or else the mods should temp ban this kid.
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On January 26 2011 02:43 natewOw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 02:05 natewOw wrote:
Ummmmmm, Terran are incredibly easy to all-in with. Also, "your" strat is the same strat being used by half the Terrans in GSL. Frankly, I'm pretty sure everyone is a little sick of it by now.
Try playing a real game for once. I did read your post. You are clearly new to the game, so I'll give you a little slack. Please see this person's post, which proves me right. Your strategy is far from original.
You need to chill out.
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um i usually do mine at 3 marines with all SCVs and liek 3 marines qued on 2 rax before the need to build another supply depot i usually lose a couple scvs to the bunker surround otherwise its an auto win.
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On January 26 2011 02:53 b0urne420 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 02:43 natewOw wrote:On January 26 2011 02:05 natewOw wrote:
Ummmmmm, Terran are incredibly easy to all-in with. Also, "your" strat is the same strat being used by half the Terrans in GSL. Frankly, I'm pretty sure everyone is a little sick of it by now.
Try playing a real game for once. I did read your post. You are clearly new to the game, so I'll give you a little slack. Please see this person's post, which proves me right. Your strategy is far from original. You need to chill out.
Is somebody raging? I don't believe so. Contribute to the conversation please.
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On January 26 2011 02:49 Starshaped wrote:
You're embarrassing yourself. Just stop posting.
dunno wha'ts the most embarassing, trying to put your name on an all-in that exists since the dawn of time or pointing that fact to you... really tough call
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On January 26 2011 03:04 cArn- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 02:49 Starshaped wrote:
You're embarrassing yourself. Just stop posting.
dunno wha'ts the most embarassing, trying to put your name on an all-in that exists since the dawn of time or pointing that fact to you... really tough call
I'm not claiming to have invented marine/SCV all-in...
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Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 02:43 natewOw wrote:On January 26 2011 02:05 natewOw wrote:On January 26 2011 01:56 Starshaped wrote:
Hi there!
I'm a big fan of all-ins, and I also play Terran. TvT is notably difficult to all-in in, and even harder to all-in early. Ummmmmm, Terran are incredibly easy to all-in with. Also, "your" strat is the same strat being used by half the Terrans in GSL. Frankly, I'm pretty sure everyone is a little sick of it by now. Try playing a real game for once. Try reading my post before responding. I did read your post. You are clearly new to the game, so I'll give you a little slack. Please see this person's post, which proves me right. Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 02:32 Mowr wrote:
oGsTOP's marine all in i the gsl finals on Steppes (I think) was roughly
12 racks - reactor after first marine
13 gas
15/16 OC
~19 2x racks + a fourth racks shortly after
all in with everything and hit the other base at ~6 min. Your strategy is far from original.
You really didn't read the post because you said he's new to the game, even when in the end of his post he said he's 2900 masters on EU. That doesn't seem new to me.
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Why get a gas, I'm totally confused. I'd just make 5 Barracks instead, that way you can keep making Marines even while extra rax are building and don't waste time on useless gas.
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On January 26 2011 03:31 Shikyo wrote:
Why get a gas, I'm totally confused. I'd just make 5 Barracks instead, that way you can keep making Marines even while extra rax are building and don't waste time on useless gas.
If he doesn't see an expo, it would be super clear if he scans your base for gas that you are all-in. Atleast that's what I'd expect
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On January 26 2011 03:25 Starshaped wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 03:04 cArn- wrote:On January 26 2011 02:49 Starshaped wrote:
You're embarrassing yourself. Just stop posting.
dunno wha'ts the most embarassing, trying to put your name on an all-in that exists since the dawn of time or pointing that fact to you... really tough call I'm not claiming to have invented marine/SCV all-in...
You took a strat that has existed for a long time, and named it after yourself. How is this NOT claiming to have invented it?
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This thread got derailed faster than anything I've seen before >_>
It's gonna turn into a huge ban-trap xD.
Settle down guys, we know it's not an original idea and he posted that in the OP, but it's still laying out the basic build and idea, which might help some players more than others.
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