Ok so first of all let me begin by saying I'm in Bronze league. That said, I never expected to encounter anything like this. I basically lost the game because I didn't know what to do. And he ended up utterly raping me as a result. I posted a replay if anyone wants to watch but really, I just want to know, how do you counter that?

http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/129185-1v1-terran-jungle-basin

Blazinghand

United States25557 Posts

January 22 2011 01:28 GMT

Some general tactics against ravens:

A cloud of like 50 ravens would be countered by, say, 3-4 ravens with seeker missile unless your opponent brought along some AA support.

Ravens are light, tend to stack, and thus are damaged a great deal by Thors (if they don't get PDDs up in time)

Marines, Reapers, Ghosts, Hellions, Tanks, Thors against Ground, Landed Vikings, Autoturrets, and SCVs all may attack without being interrupted by PDD.

EMP will drain a stack of ravens of their energy, rendering them ineffective for a while.

tuestresfat

2555 Posts

January 22 2011 01:30 GMT

didn't watch replay, just giving a general response.

most common incorrect response are vikings, which get negated and owned by point defence drones and hunter seekers respectively. if you manage to scout the mass raven fleet in time, get a few ghosts and emp them (assuming neutral positioning, you will be able to get the emp shot off before your ghost dies, if it even does)

ravens are SO gas intensive, chances are he has mass marines to back them up. be prepared to counter that.

if you're in bronze though, don't worry about builds like these and just practice your macro.

edit: i've only played against this build as terran a handful of times, but I don't think thors are a good response. mass marines could work if you can avoid the hunter seekers o.o

Moriarity

United States91 Posts

January 22 2011 03:32 GMT

5-6 tanks with 4-5 ghosts should be plenty provided he only has enough gas for the ravens and is throwing the rest of his money into marines.

TheAmazingNaz

United States11 Posts

January 22 2011 18:45 GMT

Cool. Thanks a lot guys

iAmJeffReY

United States4262 Posts

January 22 2011 18:48 GMT

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A cloud of like 50 ravens would be countered by, say, 3-4 ravens with seeker missile unless your opponent brought along some AA support.

Pretty sure HSM only hits bio, but I could be wrong.

Why wouldn't a thor or two work? Superior range, and very resiliant. With that much money on gas, he's sure to have only marines. Thor/hellion is a solid theorycraft for that.

Millitron

United States2611 Posts

January 22 2011 18:52 GMT

On January 23 2011 03:48 iAmJeffReY wrote:
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HSM can target anything, its just that bio units tend to be the most vulnerable units given their tendancy to clump up, generally low health, and the fact that they're so common.

fighter2_40

United States420 Posts

January 22 2011 18:53 GMT

Well if he has mass ravens chances are he doesn't have much of anything else. The real question is how was he able to sink 200+ gas per raven and still stay alive only making marines? obviously he must be vulnerable at some time in between.

Just go kill him with barracks macro before he has that many ravens as they are very costly and cannot ppd vs marines and siege tanks.

underdawg

United States399 Posts

January 24 2011 21:09 GMT

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hsm hits all units, just not buildings since buildings cant run. I also think you're underestimating how many turrets 50 ravens can throw down and how long they last if not killed.

Lots of missile turrets on your high ground should be effective to defend. He can't have much else than marines. Ravens can't HSM turrets, and will take a beating to get close enough to drop a turret of his own because of high ground vision I think...

Also just finding a way to get under the ravens makes them useless. Can't use HSM because of friendly splash, and simply having less space available means less room for turrets. A flock of ravens can easily decimate your main when you're not there though because there's so much room to spam turrets. Maybe stim marines and try to get under them/follow them? Ravens can only retreat when they have room to spam turrets to cover them because they are slow.

I use mass ravens in 4v4 lol.

OnYourWifi

United States13 Posts

January 26 2011 00:45 GMT

#10

Had a guy do this to me in 1v1 the other day. It's obnoxious if you let your opponent get to that point, or he mega turtles on a map with an island expo. The solution is to expand all over the place while he's contained, and EMP the raven flock with a few ghosts. Then use whatever you want to roll him.

ChinaMENG

United States33 Posts

January 26 2011 01:14 GMT

#11

EMP is probably the best and easiest way to deal with that many ravens. Thors don't work because of PDD and turrets. Vikings get eaten alive by PDD, HSM, turrets (lol). Marines won't work either. The idea of HSM on the ravens seems to be a good idea as well (mentioned by someone else)

I think HD casted a game between pingrove and "bob" where the player when mass ravens. if bob make ghosts I think he would have won. Check it out, definitely an interesting match

Simberto

Germany11686 Posts

January 26 2011 01:25 GMT

#12

There is no replay in that link.

Also, most commonly, just don´t let him get a large flock of ravens. Ravens cost a lot of gas, starports cost a lot of gas, so there should be some timing where you can just kill him because you have lots more stuff than him. Mass Raven strats usually need some time go get rolling, so as long as you exploit that timing and kill him before he gets those mass ravens, you should be fine.

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