[H]Entrance Master League. PvT Mass thors - Page 8

On January 23 2011 23:01 Excludos wrote:

I probably should have mentioned the bio ball in my original post, but I really thought it goes without saying that he would have some bio units togheter with his thors. The problem is that any units that the protoss have to make to survive against mass bio (collosus, immortals) the thors just simply wreck with the 250mm cannon. HT wouldn't be such a bad solution vs the bio, but I am reluctant to see how a few HT in my unit mix would have turned the tide of that battle (Not saying it wouldn't help, but I have tried most unit mixes vs a friend in costum games, and he still tramples me).

And if you want to take care of the thors, who also does quite a large bit of damage, any unit you make (Voidrays, carriers, to a ceertain degree: speedlots) will have their day ruined by the bio ball.

I agree that I probably made the worst unit mix possible in that specific replay. But the matter of the fact is: there is no "good" unit mix vs mass thors + bio..there is only "Less worse".

Everything else you've said I've taken into account. Of course I should have seen the drop, of course I should have defended the drop better, and of course I should have made a lot less stalkers and a lot less sentries. (And I should probably have expanded more often, but he was already dropping me wherever my units wasn't. And for me, while playing, It certainly didn't feel safe expanding again, knowing he could be attacking any second.

On January 18 2011 23:28 Carefoot wrote:
Semantic question, can warp prisms pickup units under 250mm strike cannon?

Isn't it reasonable for the toss to get a mothership and save energy for a key vortex before a huge amount of thors begins to bash at your front door?

By the time a terran masses a huge amount of thors, by huge amount of thors I'm thinking 5+, your mothership should have enough energy. It takes roughly 3 minutes making the mothership (less because of chronoboosts) and another 2 minutes to get enough energy for a vortex.

Any combination with void rays, colossus, carriers, or immortals has a 50/50 chance with mass thor/x with good micro (obviously). Again thor immobility plays a key role in catching a section of them with vortex. Depending on the vortex the toss should be able to snipe a reasonable section of the terran army before the terran shoves all his units into the toilet.

If you don't want to win up in a straight fight you can still abuse thor immobility with mass recall hit and run tactics.

Just a reminder: The mothership is not a fighting unit. It is a support/tank unit. Use it to tank damage/split forces not fight with. It has 350 shields 350 health and two armor. Thor volley is four shots +7 damage to armored 0/0/0, therefore mothership would reduce this to +5 when they're eating the mothership health, not shield. If the terran has a raven it should be easily shot down, if terran scans and goes for your units the mothership would have time to vortex a godlike angle of his forces. The terran would be requied to have 8 or so vikings to effectively snipe the mothership, denying minerals from his ground army

thors taking out that mothership faster than it can vortex( mothership is slow and has to get in range) will mean certain DEFEAT

On January 24 2011 11:42 bowserjratk wrote:
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thors taking out that mothership faster than it can vortex( mothership is slow and has to get in range) will mean certain DEFEAT

On January 24 2011 02:02 Laughing wrote:
Isn't it reasonable for the toss to get a mothership and save energy for a key vortex before a huge amount of thors begins to bash at your front door?

By the time a terran masses a huge amount of thors, by huge amount of thors I'm thinking 5+, your mothership should have enough energy. It takes roughly 3 minutes making the mothership (less because of chronoboosts) and another 2 minutes to get enough energy for a vortex.

Any combination with void rays, colossus, carriers, or immortals has a 50/50 chance with mass thor/x with good micro (obviously). Again thor immobility plays a key role in catching a section of them with vortex. Depending on the vortex the toss should be able to snipe a reasonable section of the terran army before the terran shoves all his units into the toilet.

If you don't want to win up in a straight fight you can still abuse thor immobility with mass recall hit and run tactics.

Just a reminder: The mothership is not a fighting unit. It is a support/tank unit. Use it to tank damage/split forces not fight with. It has 350 shields 350 health and two armor. Thor volley is four shots +7 damage to armored 0/0/0, therefore mothership would reduce this to +5 when they're eating the mothership health, not shield. If the terran has a raven it should be easily shot down, if terran scans and goes for your units the mothership would have time to vortex a godlike angle of his forces. The terran would be requied to have 8 or so vikings to effectively snipe the mothership, denying minerals from his ground army.

On January 24 2011 12:11 Laughing wrote:


Vortex range is 7, thor air range is 10. I'm fairly confident that the mothership can survive long enough for one vortex.

On January 24 2011 16:57 Scaryman wrote:


assuming your information is correct the 7 range is from the center of the fat ass mothership, so it is effectively more like range 5 and wants the point of vortexing the very edge you have to have a more centralized vortex for it to even be worth it otherwise your preventing all your own melee units from doing damage, and why the hell is everyone ignoring the fact terran can easily get 10+ vikings if they ever even see a stargate.