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On December 02 2010 02:59 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 02:52 Twitch89 wrote:
If you're planning to morph the DTs anyway, why not go HT-Archon instead? The Stove is an old build from Brood War. It was going Scouts (a terribly underpowered flying unit), into DTs, into Arbiters (a cloaking spellcaster like the Mothership). The build was pretty nonsensical and arguably bad; however, it was so unpredictable that it worked even against top players occasionally. It was the equivalent of a slap in the face. The Royal Stove required a fourth step: morphing a Dark Archon (extremely underused spellcaster) and using Mind Control (a permanent Neural Parasite) against your opponent. This was like getting slapped in the face while your girlfriend watched and fucked your best friend.
That sounds amazing :O (except for the girlfriend part)
I've always wondered how viable pheonix into DT's were...
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On December 02 2010 02:25 Sabin010 wrote:
2. Switch to DTs
3. Get a Mother Ship.
This just made me lol for like 5 minutes
seriously i see no way of this build working againsed a good player who dosnt muck up badly. Fristly you are vunrable at the beggining becasue you have no real proper defensive units and you are compleatly relying on ff.
When the phenioxes come out you still can defend very well. Then you get DTs which may contain him becasue your phenioxes can snipe the overlords however me can easily defend becasue the zerg will already have some spores up becasue of the phenioxes so they will prolly do no damage.
Then you get a mothership and some archons. Hmm ok firstly archons arn't a core army unitand are only used when ht are out of energy. Finaly the mothership, err despite the thread going around about it being used in pvp getting a mothership randomly isnt going to be that good because there best ability is to create a clacking field. hmm there might have detection considring you have just used dts and they will have spores because you have phenioxes.
So congrats you have just created only of the worst builds that you can do on SC2.
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Calgary26003 Posts
GUYS, this isn't a real build. Why are you analyzing it? It's a joke that makes you giddy if you pull it off in Broodwar, and he's searching for the SC2 equivalent. That's it.
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Void ray would give u a free expansion against non muta (get 1 pheonix with the void to discourage), and then get dt to kill the zergs 3rd. You're now even on bases and how you play from here is up to you. Seems pretty solid honestly, unless he gets spores to counter voids instead of hydra or queens. I'm gonna test, but without mothership.
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we should have a "do the stove" week and see how many poor Zs we can kill with this build.
I've experimented with 1base, 2gate-star phoenix -> DT -> expo with 3rd gate + forge + cannon.
But mass hydras + 3~4 overseers just rape this (this was before roach range buff. I believe early roach pressure will hurt a lot too).
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just theorycrafting, but this might be a fun 2v2 PP vs ZZ build: one player 1base 2star spam phoenixes
while the other protoss goes fast dts. Then send some resources over to the stargating player to get fleet beacon + mother ship asap.
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Yah I just tested it against a decent Z and it didn't really do anything. Oh well.
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Did you get the Mother Ship?
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On December 02 2010 02:59 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 02:52 Twitch89 wrote:
If you're planning to morph the DTs anyway, why not go HT-Archon instead? The Stove is an old build from Brood War. It was going Scouts (a terribly underpowered flying unit), into DTs, into Arbiters (a cloaking spellcaster like the Mothership). The build was pretty nonsensical and arguably bad; however, it was so unpredictable that it worked even against top players occasionally. It was the equivalent of a slap in the face. The Royal Stove required a fourth step: morphing a Dark Archon (extremely underused spellcaster) and using Mind Control (a permanent Neural Parasite) against your opponent. This was like getting slapped in the face while your girlfriend watched and fucked your best friend.
So what's the metaphor for the the point where you MC a SCV and tech to siege tanks and start recalling cloaked sieged tanks?
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I tried it too, but he was too bad for it to have any point.
Oh and recalling cloaked siege tanks = Royal Stove.
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No, of course I didn't get a mothership...the build was killed as soon as he got an overseer. he had 4 queens and hydras in production when my DTs got there.
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This thread just made my day. I have got to attempt this xD
All hail the Stove!!!
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lol at people calling this gimmicky, standard as it gets folks
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On December 02 2010 03:54 Chill wrote:
GUYS, this isn't a real build. Why are you analyzing it? It's a joke that makes you giddy if you pull it off in Broodwar, and he's searching for the SC2 equivalent. That's it.
There are decent DT/phoenix builds.
There a lot of threads about them.
DTs delay long enough to get HTs on the field.
HTs for feedback on overseers + phoenixes mean keeping overseers alive is very hard. DTs do great damage if they don't die first. They absolutely destroy hydras. Colossus get boring.
Sorry to derail. Doing this exceedingly fast and getting a mothershi, well, awesome.
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Has anybody done this. I'd like to see a replay of the stove.
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where is the option that we declare every week to be stove week
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LOL @ the people analyzing the stove.
I'll be sure to do this all this week when I play against Z. Maybe against Terran too
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Where does the name stove come from?
Edit: nm, looked at original build thread.
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On December 02 2010 04:40 Antisocialmunky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 02:59 Chill wrote:On December 02 2010 02:52 Twitch89 wrote:
If you're planning to morph the DTs anyway, why not go HT-Archon instead? The Stove is an old build from Brood War. It was going Scouts (a terribly underpowered flying unit), into DTs, into Arbiters (a cloaking spellcaster like the Mothership). The build was pretty nonsensical and arguably bad; however, it was so unpredictable that it worked even against top players occasionally. It was the equivalent of a slap in the face. The Royal Stove required a fourth step: morphing a Dark Archon (extremely underused spellcaster) and using Mind Control (a permanent Neural Parasite) against your opponent. This was like getting slapped in the face while your girlfriend watched and fucked your best friend. So what's the metaphor for the the point where you MC a SCV and tech to siege tanks and start recalling cloaked sieged tanks?
That is the royal stove.
Although traditionally, the sometimes-forgotten fifth step was to transition into losing your whole fucking base and then trying desperately to win with just Terran units, and then leave the game saying you should've won that.
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yeah skip the DT, anyway
you do not want him to invest in detection at this point
lest it render your mothership useless
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On December 02 2010 14:02 mangsky wrote:
yeah skip the DT, anyway
you do not want him to invest in detection at this point
lest it render your mothership useless
That is the point.
You want your units to be as crappy as possible to make victory so much more sweet.
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