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bobbob
Profile Joined December 2009
United States368 Posts
December 02 2010 05:10 GMT
#41
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=94911
^^This is the guide to the stove. You know how bad scouts are in the campaign? That's basically how good they were in BW.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88624
^^This was the report of the royal stove.
Ftrunkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia2474 Posts
December 02 2010 05:16 GMT
#42
the amount of people that don't realize the point of this build and are arguing that its not viable etc. makes me a bit sad
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
December 02 2010 05:30 GMT
#43
On December 02 2010 02:59 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2010 02:52 Twitch89 wrote:
If you're planning to morph the DTs anyway, why not go HT-Archon instead?

The Stove is an old build from Brood War. It was going Scouts (a terribly underpowered flying unit), into DTs, into Arbiters (a cloaking spellcaster like the Mothership). The build was pretty nonsensical and arguably bad; however, it was so unpredictable that it worked even against top players occasionally. It was the equivalent of a slap in the face.

The Royal Stove required a fourth step: morphing a Dark Archon (extremely underused spellcaster) and using Mind Control (a permanent Neural Parasite) against your opponent. This was like getting slapped in the face while your girlfriend watched and fucked your best friend.


Love the description ^^

I was doing a varient of this through beta, but it was really just "as cheesy as you can get as protoss". Proxy 3 voidray rush into DT into mothership, and you just expand if any of the steps are successful. I had a friend who did cannon rush into proxy voidray, and both the builds were pretty fun ^^
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
December 02 2010 05:31 GMT
#44
On December 02 2010 04:40 Antisocialmunky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2010 02:59 Chill wrote:
On December 02 2010 02:52 Twitch89 wrote:
If you're planning to morph the DTs anyway, why not go HT-Archon instead?

The Stove is an old build from Brood War. It was going Scouts (a terribly underpowered flying unit), into DTs, into Arbiters (a cloaking spellcaster like the Mothership). The build was pretty nonsensical and arguably bad; however, it was so unpredictable that it worked even against top players occasionally. It was the equivalent of a slap in the face.

The Royal Stove required a fourth step: morphing a Dark Archon (extremely underused spellcaster) and using Mind Control (a permanent Neural Parasite) against your opponent. This was like getting slapped in the face while your girlfriend watched and fucked your best friend.


So what's the metaphor for the the point where you MC a SCV and tech to siege tanks and start recalling cloaked sieged tanks?



Uhh That's when you tie your girlfriend up, have her watch, and fuck her best friend?
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rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 06:18:32
December 02 2010 06:02 GMT
#45
i fail to see how you can stove without a scout equivalent. none of the protoss units are straight up terrible, besides maybe the mothership.

i take that back. i demand a royal stove build order that requires you to go carrier, DT, then mothership.
DiracMonopole
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1555 Posts
December 02 2010 06:23 GMT
#46
My understanding was the royal stove involved the use of a dark archon to mind control an SCV and then use arbiters to recall sieged up siege tanks.

In that vein, I propose that the SC2 royal stove involve using an infestor to mind control an scv, build siege tanks and then use nydus canals to move them around.
Aquafresh
Profile Joined May 2007
United States824 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 06:26:06
December 02 2010 06:25 GMT
#47
So the stove has come to Sc2? It feels a bit off. On one hand DT follow up into Mothership is suitably terrible and pretty unexpected, but opening Phoenix won't induce the necessary WTFs that a freaking fast Scout would. The WTF factor was key to the original.
nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
December 02 2010 06:30 GMT
#48
Archons and blackhole? that'd be kinda wtf if someone dies to it?
it would do a lot of AoE damage to the units if they get caught


too bad DT's can form a DA to use maelstorm to go with this...
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rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
December 02 2010 06:40 GMT
#49
On December 02 2010 15:25 Aquafresh wrote:
So the stove has come to Sc2? It feels a bit off. On one hand DT follow up into Mothership is suitably terrible and pretty unexpected, but opening Phoenix won't induce the necessary WTFs that a freaking fast Scout would. The WTF factor was key to the original.


that's why i said it has to be fast carriers into dt.
Obscura.304
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
150 Posts
December 02 2010 07:01 GMT
#50
On December 02 2010 15:23 DiracMonopole wrote:
My understanding was the royal stove involved the use of a dark archon to mind control an SCV and then use arbiters to recall sieged up siege tanks.

In that vein, I propose that the SC2 royal stove involve using an infestor to mind control an scv, build siege tanks and then use nydus canals to move them around.

Better still- get into a 2v2 as Zerg, against a Terran/Protoss team. Neural Parasite an SCV and a Probe, build a Mothership and Siege Tanks, and Mass Recall the Sieged Tanks.

Closer, in a way, to the original Royal Stove. Plus, how cool is it to have high-tech units from all 3 races at once?
DiracMonopole
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1555 Posts
December 02 2010 07:12 GMT
#51
Ah yes, that is better than mine. Your ally should be terran, just because its harder to build things with parasited scvs than probes.
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
December 02 2010 07:29 GMT
#52
you can't mass recall allied units. i've tried it before with ZP team and it didn't recall banelings, only the probes.
Wetty
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia419 Posts
December 02 2010 07:42 GMT
#53
Ive actually encountered a similar build on the ladder... They opened 3 gate pressure, transitioned into phoenixs to shutdown my mutas, then got DT's which are incredibly powerful if they have the ability to kill every overseer on the field with their phoenixs... Still, just turtled with some spore crawls then pushed out with a tonne of overseers and won. But i was completely stressing for awhile when i couldnt engage outside of my base because of the DT threat.
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
December 02 2010 13:52 GMT
#54
Well I did the stove until I got put back into bronze league, but I did manage one win on delta quadrant against a terran. I'll post the replay tonight. I'm pretty sure it turned into a 25- warp gate getting HT DT blinkers and chargelots 5-star gate massin carriers 4-robo massing colossi 6 base 200 supply noobfest.

Killing drop ships with the mother ship = win.
GoldenH
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1115 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 14:59:31
December 02 2010 14:55 GMT
#55
Really losing to mass blink stalkers is embarassing enough. I don't mean blink stalker harass. I mean if you never build anything but blink stalkers.

Not going to try this build. Because it's just not interesting - if you survive to make DTs, it's only because you already beat him with pure phoenix and just couldn't destroy his buildings, since buildings counter phoenix (:p). He'd probably type GG faster than you could build the mothership.

Mass Sentry + Mothership + mass Probe recall, that would be pretty embarassing.
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slip.
Profile Joined July 2010
United States50 Posts
December 02 2010 15:01 GMT
#56
On December 02 2010 02:59 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2010 02:52 Twitch89 wrote:
If you're planning to morph the DTs anyway, why not go HT-Archon instead?

The Stove is an old build from Brood War. It was going Scouts (a terribly underpowered flying unit), into DTs, into Arbiters (a cloaking spellcaster like the Mothership). The build was pretty nonsensical and arguably bad; however, it was so unpredictable that it worked even against top players occasionally. It was the equivalent of a slap in the face.

The Royal Stove required a fourth step: morphing a Dark Archon (extremely underused spellcaster) and using Mind Control (a permanent Neural Parasite) against your opponent. This was like getting slapped in the face while your girlfriend watched and fucked your best friend.


Probably the best explanation of The Stove ever......EVER
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Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
December 02 2010 15:02 GMT
#57
You only get one pheonix because you need the gas for DT tech, and fleet beacon, and mother ship. You're going to need the gas to get a sentry for ff-ing the ramp too. This isn't like we open with 5 pheonix and actually go out harassing. The one pheonix is supposed to make the opponent lol, and push out. So you get one DT at the bottem of the ramp when he pushes, and start chrono boosting the mothership. then you ff the ramp and the dt kills guys until the detection comes in, but you get the pheonix to kill any mobile detection.
NinjaAUS
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia133 Posts
December 02 2010 15:07 GMT
#58
Hahah oh god i do not want to face this it sounds worse than the pheonix > dt > chargelot > ht stuff
bobcat
Profile Joined May 2010
United States488 Posts
December 02 2010 15:13 GMT
#59
On December 02 2010 02:52 Twitch89 wrote:
If you're planning to morph the DTs anyway, why not go HT-Archon instead?


Because it wouldn't be the stove. There are plenty of ways to make this strategy better, for example, turtle up, mass void rays, use phoenixes to deny scouting.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
December 02 2010 15:16 GMT
#60
Perhaps the stove can't be accurately converted from P in SC1 to P in SC2.
Perhaps a Viking -> Ghost -> BC build in TvZ is a better comparison.
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