EPT[Q][D] - PvZ Royal Stove - Page 4
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Dante08
Singapore4120 Posts
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Cerebrate.Monthly
United States21 Posts
On December 02 2010 02:59 Chill wrote: The Stove is an old build from Brood War. It was going Scouts (a terribly underpowered flying unit), into DTs, into Arbiters (a cloaking spellcaster like the Mothership). The build was pretty nonsensical and arguably bad; however, it was so unpredictable that it worked even against top players occasionally. It was the equivalent of a slap in the face. The Royal Stove required a fourth step: morphing a Dark Archon (extremely underused spellcaster) and using Mind Control (a permanent Neural Parasite) against your opponent. This was like getting slapped in the face while your girlfriend watched and fucked your best friend. About as clear-cut as it could get, I'm deeply saddened by the number of people who started going into build analysis without looking at the 'purpose'. Like someone else mentioned, this strategy described here isn't a Royal Stove because there is no more mind control ability available to Protoss compared to Brood War. Rather just a SC2 Variant of Chef's Stove. I'm waiting for the first few replays of the SC2 Stove regardless just for the pure entertainment value and consequent shaming of the victim. | ||
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GoldenH
1115 Posts
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Obscura.304
150 Posts
On December 02 2010 16:29 rauk wrote: you can't mass recall allied units. i've tried it before with ZP team and it didn't recall banelings, only the probes. But, if a Zerg player controls both a mothership and siege tanks that they've built (i.e., they've NP'd both a probe AND an SCV, and started from scratch with 2 races instead of just 1), can the mothership recall a sieged tank? | ||
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Craton
United States17234 Posts
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
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swanized
Canada2480 Posts
On December 02 2010 02:59 Chill wrote: The Stove is an old build from Brood War. It was going Scouts (a terribly underpowered flying unit), into DTs, into Arbiters (a cloaking spellcaster like the Mothership). The build was pretty nonsensical and arguably bad; however, it was so unpredictable that it worked even against top players occasionally. It was the equivalent of a slap in the face. The Royal Stove required a fourth step: morphing a Dark Archon (extremely underused spellcaster) and using Mind Control (a permanent Neural Parasite) against your opponent. This was like getting slapped in the face while your girlfriend watched and fucked your best friend. I thought royal stove involved mind controlling a worker too? | ||
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GoldenH
1115 Posts
On December 04 2010 09:06 Mataza wrote: The question should be more "Does a NPed scv finish your command center or do you need to NP it for 100 seconds?" No you need to NP it like 9-10 times, it just runs away. Fortunately it does not cancel the construction. Not sure what happens if you morph a building with a drone though. | ||
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swanized
Canada2480 Posts
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petzergling
538 Posts
this defeats the purpose... | ||
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majestouch
United States395 Posts
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PaleBlueDot
United States263 Posts
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
The ground to air attack was 8, and the attack was slow. A marine attacked 2 times without stim for every attack of the scout. So the scout was worth around half a marine for damage to ground purposes. The stove guide even says you have to do a fuckload of damage to make the scout worthwhile. Then when you also tech to dts you need to do a fuckload of damage to make the dts worthwhile. And so forth. All we can achieve right now is a goodminded stove-copy. The spiritual successor of the scout is the voidray, no? Price is similar, though the vr is good instead of bad. However the build is still very bad, after going vr switching to dts is about the least intuitive way of playing. And vrs dont encourage single turrets but clusters of them or anti air units. I think I am going to do it right now. [edit] I tried it 2 times and of course it didn´t work. Anyway, it felt to be quite similar to the stove relays I´ve seen. Though I am by no means good with protoss, here is what I did(I won´t detail everything, like when warpgate tech etc.): tell him you are going to pwn his sorry ass 8 pylon 10 gate 11 gas core after gate I threw in a double gas steal, for bad manners mainly. stargate -> 1 voidray, chronoboost it asap twilight council and dark shrine and fleet beacon try to build pylons so i can warp in on his high ground 1 volley of dts, sight with voidray build mothership ->recall an army in his base. My execution was crisp, in the sense that feces get crisp when dry. My unit control is shitty, I instantly lost my voidray to stalkers, also he had observers by the time I had dts. The mass recall was pretty good though. [/edit] | ||
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Obscura.304
150 Posts
If a Zerg player neural parasites an SCV, builds a CC for another SCV, techs to siege tanks, neural parasites a Probe, builds a nexus, techs and gets a mothership, that mothership CAN recall sieged tanks! http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/112584-ffa-terran-protoss-zerg-metalopolis Thanks to LegoShrimp for his help with this! | ||
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MiKTeX
United States234 Posts
so you can only do the stove in sc2 and not the royal one as the thread title says but seriously the stove is #1 build | ||
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