EPT[D]Terran version of "4gating your way to diamond" - Page 4
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Coramoor
Canada455 Posts
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Elvin
149 Posts
Bunker up, build a good economy, scout ,have map awareness, see what the opponent is doing ,make counters, go for the third expansion ,do medivac drops, make upgrades, build a lot production facilities, punish him for his mistakes. Glorious victories awaits you Commander. | ||
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Freeborn
Germany421 Posts
there is thousands of terrans who played their way into diamond with mm pushes and thats all they know.... well anyway there's a really mean all-in marine build, 4-5 rax without add-ons or gas. A friend of mine played himself into diamond using this build only. I think u have like 16 marines around 5-6 minutes, the only thing that easily stops this is early banelings and forcefields can help too. But there rly is not much that can counter marines for the same cost. | ||
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AshesToDust
Canada45 Posts
On November 25 2010 01:25 farseerdk wrote: It's all about expansion timing. 1) If you're going to FE, you must 1 gate FE. You cannot 3 gate expand. Once you FE, you must quickly get at least 6 warpgates and a robotics... as in BEFORE you fully saturate you natural. 2) If you are not going to FE, you must either get a robotics facility, or a lot of sentries and zealots 3) In any case, you must not make too many stalkers. They are very bad unless you expect banshees. 4) You must always use forcefield well. Of course you can 3 gate expand. Why wouldn't you be able to? 3 gate 1 gas openings are great against mm openings and can be very economical. You don't need to get 6 gateways before teching, either. Tech is extremely important for protoss because as you hit the midgame, pure gateway units start to be cost inefficient versus terran. Also, stalkers are a very core unit for protoss. Always make at least a few stalkers in the beginning and more later on. | ||
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Froadac
United States6733 Posts
On November 24 2010 18:05 beef42 wrote: Bollocks. Korean players practice the same build over and over again, and they're pretty good, so why can't we? Three rax is a build that allows transitoins. Sure, if they hold it off and hold an expansion you're somewhat boned, but just after 50 food you'll have enough for a cc, and expoing at 8 minutes ain't that bad. It's not an all ib build at all, although it's certainly not a four gate. | ||
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raded
United States21 Posts
When I got to platinum and these stopped working, I was losing 90% of my games because I had very little experience in games longer than 10 minutes. Ended up getting dropped down to gold and now I default to speedling FE unless I scout something vulnerable or something that needs countering. In bronze, silver, gold, and even platinum to some extent, you can use a pre-determined build and strategy and win a lot of games. In platinum and diamond, you need to be reactive to your opponent's strategy instead of hoping what you decided on pre-game works. | ||
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BOOWOO
United States83 Posts
Like others have said, just play a solid macro strat and you'll crush inferior opponent in about 10 minutes. If you want faster, it's pretty much gonna be a cheese build of some kind...like the 6Rax Marine all-in. | ||
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WeeKeong
United States282 Posts
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SovSov
United States755 Posts
So I call bullshit on that. | ||
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nanoscorp
United States1237 Posts
On November 24 2010 22:35 ace246 wrote: Let me fill you in on my current situation. I want to play diamond in NA server because i am diamond in SEA server and i know im diamond material, i always played straight up macro in SEA but i want a shortcut to diamond in NA because i don't wanna deal with the people below diamond. All my build orders are for straight up macro like 1/1/1, 1rax FE,2 rax FE. Playing straight up macro to diamond takes hella long time. So i want to learn some cheesy, all-in, rush, agressive, any "finish-the-game-by- early/midgame" build orders. Win like 6 games in a row and you'll be playing diamond opponents before getting promoted out of plat. Your MMR will jump way before your league promotion. Scout and counter? Plat and lower level players are especially easy to read. For a fast win, keep a scout in their base alive and smash their push with a proper response? | ||
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Scrimpton
United Kingdom465 Posts
On November 25 2010 11:04 nanoscorp wrote: Win like 6 games in a row and you'll be playing diamond opponents before getting promoted out of plat. Your MMR will jump way before your league promotion. Scout and counter? Plat and lower level players are especially easy to read. For a fast win, keep a scout in their base alive and smash their push with a proper response? I had a 65% win ratio for ages in GOLD. but 50% of my opponents were between 1.5k-1.8k diamond (this was 2 weeks ago) the other 50% were plat. it took me around 70 games to get promoted to platinum, with a 65% win rate vs dia/plat, with an 11 win streak at one stage but still no use. then it matched me vs a gold player, i won and got promoted, very strange. took 30 games as plat to get into diamond.... Sooooo yeah roughly 100 games vs diamond opponents with an above 60% win ratio to get into diamond. My friends used to pm me and say "how are u in plat with that win ratio" they'd be in diamond with maybe 50-52%. ANYWAY. its pretty easy to end games with straight up builds vs weaker opponents, around as quickly as it takes to do some timing attack.. so i just recommend playing straight up, its never bad for you to reinforce the basics | ||
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eeniebear
United States197 Posts
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palookieblue
Australia326 Posts
He's already diamond in SEA (with macro play) and wants strats to end games early-mid so he won't have to waste time in the lower leagues on the NA ladder. Get off your high horses yo. I suggest 5/6 rax marine all-in (you can bring SCVs if you want), or a 3rax stim push. | ||
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repomaniak
Poland324 Posts
it was on steppes of war (game 2) | ||
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pogoman
United States28 Posts
On November 24 2010 18:41 Inori wrote: \As a P player that got himself into mid diamond with T within trial account time period (granted, it was back when bonus pool wasn't this stupidly high), I strongly disagree. Any Bo that involves M & M is much easier to execute than proper 4gate. In fact I bet you can just n-rax marine all-in every game up to 2000+. Its true. I've played 2000+ players where they do someting like 3 racks all in pushes. They do it poorly to and I wonder how often does that wokr for them because it was so easy for me to fend off. | ||
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creditmobilier
United States82 Posts
On November 25 2010 15:30 eeniebear wrote: Play Terran. BAM, you're diamond. Kinda 2 months late on that joke there buddy. | ||
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SlapMySalami
United States1060 Posts
correct me if im wrong but you made this thread just to get into diamond so why not just 4gate | ||
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zbedlam
Australia549 Posts
This is not true for the 4gate for the most part, although the 4gate does seem to end games more often. edit: if you did all in with SCVs as well this would be closer to 4gate imo. | ||
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SkyDiDeLY
Netherlands51 Posts
This is autowin against any fast expaning player. (except zerg, but its hard to deal with it as zerg anyway since the scv's surround thors and mutas come too late in too few numbers) Not sure what the exact timing would be, but around 2 - 5 thors, 2 hellions and a shitload of marines. | ||
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iloveroo
Canada294 Posts
On November 24 2010 17:59 Tianx wrote: Alternatively pull a Foxer and 2-rax SCV rush every game. Pro: Works at the highest level, too. Con: Takes actually micro. I know that "Foxer" is good in all, but usually when I see his game in gomtv, his games usually last only within 10-15 minutes with his same plan all marine/scv rush. Yes this does require hardcore micro, but what about macro? I simply just get bored watching his game, that is all. | ||
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