TvZ matches in the GSL - Page 4

On October 28 2010 01:40 Firereaver wrote:
Anyone saying Zerg OP or even thinking it, I have one answer for you Fruitdealer Vs Fauxer GSL2 Ro 32.
This shows what happens when sum1 gets back to the drawing board and formulates a meta-game changing strat rather sit on their butts and QQ all day about the problem.
Major, MAJOR props to Fauxer for his amazing non-cheesy takedown of The Fruit!

On October 28 2010 01:40 Firereaver wrote:
Anyone saying Zerg OP or even thinking it, I have one answer for you Fruitdealer Vs Fauxer GSL2 Ro 32.
This shows what happens when sum1 gets back to the drawing board and formulates a meta-game changing strat rather sit on their butts and QQ all day about the problem.
Major, MAJOR props to Fauxer for his amazing non-cheesy takedown of The Fruit!

On October 28 2010 02:12 Jermstuddog wrote:
The win also relies on a lot of things that have been pointed out being still OP about Terran. (Some by Blizzard).

-No scouting the Terran base before Lair tech.
-Marines w/stim being entirely too cost effective.
-Medivacs being way too awesome in the early-game.

To name a few.

That being said, kudos to Fauxer for taking advantage of his races strengths in the MU, but I'm not sure how long such things will remain viable.

On October 28 2010 02:09 Keldaur wrote:


Somebody speaking about balance from 2 games. Nice.

I don't think zerg are OP right now, just waiting how the patches change the metagame

On October 27 2010 07:40 Jayzo wrote:
i believe that as TvZ you just cant afford to make any bio anymore, banelings are such a cheap and easy solution and combined with anything else, make life very difficult and micro reliant.

i like to open gas before rax then go reactor factory hellions into expand and straight mech (all factoires, no rax's or starports). have 1 factory with a reactor pumping hellions the whole game as a mineral sink and the rest with tech labs pumping thors at first, but if you scout roaches, tanks.

when its time to push out, Ebay and turrets on mineral line.
when you push, take a bunch of scvs with u on follow with auto repair.

hellions will take care of lings / banes / hydra
thors can deal with anything somewhat but especially muta / broodlord (with hellions on the ground broodlords do almost nothing)
if you get tanks then u can cover roaches and banelings even better

then the key is to make sure you match up your composition as the game progresses.

so far ive had a huge amount of success with this so far at lower diamond level, maybe a higher diamond can let me know if this will continue to be viable?
ps. nydus is a bit scary due to lack of mobility, but usually i am able to scout the network and prepare.

On October 28 2010 02:20 Firereaver wrote:

Can't believe I have to reply to this inanity, but here goes... I will NEVER speak about balance because I am obviously not good enuff to! As far as I am concerned only a top 200 player(or pro-gamer) has the rite to do so.
I however am speaking about mindsets and approaches to the game!
I see here in TL QQing has become a major fad for the fat-headed, average joe who thinks that the game has to be balanced for him and him alone. Sorry, but I don't care if you all lose all your TvZ's here on out, as long as the game is felt to be balanced at the highest level. I have gone thru all the interviews over the past few week including the SotG's and find not one player QQing at all other than maybe a very few.
GSL2 has been a revelation for me as to the potential of SC2 and has definitely converted ME, one of its doubters and a big BW fan, to its cause.
The only thing I find tough to put up with is the few bad eggs who wish they had 100% winrates in their leauges. So there...

On October 28 2010 02:27 2FresH wrote:


you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. you've gone through all the interviews eh?

let me take a fragment out of boxer/fruitdealer's interview:

"How do you view the recent patches?
Boxer: I'm very weird, in every patch it's the units I love to use that are nerfed. Before, I liked to use tanks, and now they are nerfed. I also liked 3rax, but that strategy was nerfed. More unsettling is that not only was Terran nerfed, Zerg was buffed. I spent two hours writing a letter to David Kim (dayvie). Every time, the new patches are hard to adjust to, so I hope in the future the changes aren't cataclysmic.
Fruitdealer: In terms of Zerg, aside from defense, right now playing is more comfortable due to less early problems. But it seems that the special aspects of SC2 have been decreasing. Even though I'm doing well, other players might consider it bad."

On October 28 2010 02:20 Firereaver wrote:

Can't believe I have to reply to this inanity, but here goes... I will NEVER speak about balance because I am obviously not good enuff to! As far as I am concerned only a top 200 player(or pro-gamer) has the rite to do so.

On October 28 2010 02:19 2FresH wrote:


"thing that have been pointed out being still OP about terran" ..really?

-there is nothing to scout before lair tech with no presence of reapers anymore. its either mm+tank or mech or 1-1-1. you can still sac an ovie if ur that desperate.
-marine with stim cost effective?? thats funny becus every single high-tier play ive seen in the past month has shown how cost effective BANELINGS are. factor in dropping banelings, and burrowed banelings and you have a winning formula for anti-marines.
-medivacs are a risky investment, and barely participate in the 'early' game. if you dont do significant damage early, you wont be able to drop later on with the risk of muta inteception. medvacs are so slow now i dont even risk doing drops on zergs except a hellion drop. the only purpose of medvacs now is to heal the bio army & drop/pickup mech units stranded in battle or to drop a thor onto 30 banelings

On October 28 2010 01:40 Firereaver wrote:
Fruitdealer Vs Fauxer GSL2 Ro 32.

On October 28 2010 03:17 Bluest wrote:
Stopping what Fauxer did is super easy for zerg. Fruit didn't scout and put himself in an awful position. Fauxer watched Fruit's replays a bizillion times and played him perfectly. Honestly that game had almost nothing to do with the TvZ matchup it was all about Fruit as an individual player. Fauxer found his playstyles faults and exploited them however Fruit's playstyle holes are not zergs play style holes. That attack would never even touch Idra for example or even many good but far lesser overall zergs than Fruit.

To conclude, the Fauxer v Fruit game demonstrates very little useful information concerning balance. Any player who plays the same most every game for the first 10 minutes who was super blind hard countered would die in such a way if he doesn't scout or adapt at all.

So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.

On October 27 2010 21:13 Alphasquad wrote:
T dominated Z for a long time, now T got nerfs for reapers and Z got +1 range for roaches - did those changes really matter a lot?i seriously think no

Bio was already outdated a long time ago because of creep+banelings but now i see it more and more on pro level - doesnt make sense to me; i remember T mech play ot be the hardest challenge to Z since...ever; also in game T players go for marines and tanks for the entire game no matter how many times it gets killed; i really dont understand the point of going for FE and then make such an army too - i always thought you go marine/tank with one base for an early push before the Z has muta or you expand to support mech and use superior tech