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[G] Bumblebees Guide to Playing with Low APM - Page 6

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fighter2_40
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States420 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-15 06:52:10
March 15 2012 06:51 GMT
#101
Interestingly enough, My zerg has the highest apm and my toss has the lowest. It's like 230 zerg 195 terran and 185 toss on sc2 gears. I play random, I used to main toss 4 seasons back.

Pretty sure toss works best with low apm. Just my opinion.
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-15 08:47:06
March 15 2012 08:45 GMT
#102
On March 10 2012 01:25 Zythius wrote:
Ah, the APM hysteria that started when people first found at that, yes, good players usually do more stuff in the space of a minute! So now everyone is a blind spammer.

I can understand that some players spam commands out-of-combat to keep focused, but does this really cover all players? Do you get more productive by spamming commands that doesn't ahve any effect?

I bet some of them are just spamming so that their APM stats look like the pros.

You don't have to blindly spam, you just need to force yourself to play faster. Pressing buttons fast is only the first step on a long road. However, if you force yourself to do SOMETHING at all times, and put some thought into it, you will quickly notice yourself getting much faster. Just pressing 1234 won't give much, but if you're aware of what you're doing, you will feel your limit quickly... in the early game, you can reset your worker waypoint, while doing worker micro, while also jumping between your main and nat saved locations (if you use base locations, which you should), maybe ctrl-grouping some workers. Yeah, the actions are useless (except for the worker micro), but there's thought behind it, it trains your speed and accuracy and warms you up. It helps a TON. As long as you're in a "now I do this (do it), now I do this (do it)" state, it will train you for the speed needed later.
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15365 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-15 09:48:12
March 15 2012 09:44 GMT
#103
Wow just saw this for the first time. Great read, like it! Nice layout with the TOC as well!

Edit: How to make a TOC that doesn't open in a new window on TL:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10797747
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
zwartenbleek
Profile Joined April 2023
1 Post
April 06 2023 08:17 GMT
#104
This has been almost 13 long years since the original post came out.

Some units got removed, some actions went obsolete, yet the guide ain't no misleading anyway. Extremely solid piece of art. This is what I want to pay for and not skins for zerglings.

I share the low APM issue but my cause is way more simple than yours. I am just incredibly sluggish + stupid because I got brain damage upon excessive hitting my head with various stuff such as foes' fists and concrete walls. Safety first!

I hope you are still alive and succeeding even if you dropped StarCraft for whatever reason (any is valid).

My 2 cents will also be put here.

Being stunted is the reason you wanna know your opponent better than just scouting the map, searching for their crucial sturctures such as Dark Shrine, Ghost Academy, Reactors, and Baneling Nest which are decisive in what they are up to, and clicking their extractors/assimilators/refineries to learn how gassy their build is. You'd better watch their latest replays so you better know their playing style, formation, accent, weak points and the exact timings where they become too macro to be contained considering your weak hands/poor vision/low IQ/nervous system failure/whatever preventing you from being fast.

This is the invaluable resource not only because you will be ready for the opponent's actions, you also will possibly learn on some yet-unknown tricks with units you'd love to consider or even use on your own if you end up understanding you're capable of gaining benefit from such actions.

P.S. My brain damage prevents me from repeating my build flawlessly game to game so it's always forced improvisation. I spent the whole month trying to remember when and what but always end up making some unusual actions just because I failed to remember what comes next. This also results in lowering my APM since I'm stalling trying to come up with an idea what to do next in this yet again unusual scenario. So I made the yet proving soild decision of writing what to do if I accidentally couldn't stick to the original plan so these no-surprise surprises become just different builds and not guaranteed loss generators.

I'm a casual gamer to say the least. Only play custom 1v1, 2v2, or party vs A.I. to have fun, never go ladder, it's just my minor itch which made me wanna improve my SCII level as it helps going through my overall depression and repels further intellectual degradation. Maybe I could be a pro but when you start playing seriously at 28 at the same moment being an RPG and TBS gamer all along... Even the healthy ones find it nearly (or totally) impossible to do so. Not to mention dumb me.

P.P.S. I hope I don't get banned upon bumping that. This guide made me register, this is my very first post here.
Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
April 11 2023 22:20 GMT
#105
zwartenbleek that was an incredibly open first post. I am glad you bumped this post because this is applicable to other games and life. Remember "slow is smooth, smooth is fast". I am sorry you are dealing with things that prevent you from playing fast, but I must say you write well and I am happy you are enjoying this game. I hope the op knows that he has helped, people like you, enjoy and play this game
"To practice isn't for you to get better now in the present. Practice will never betray you and will always come back for you in the future." -Jaedong
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
April 21 2023 05:48 GMT
#106
Timeless guide, only when I glanced past the timestamp did I realize it was written 13 years ago
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