TvP Double Armory SCII - Page 2

On October 16 2010 13:16 manicsquare wrote:


One of those replays should involve a small stargate opening where i stop him from mining at his natural but I then give up on void rays after he gets enough turrets down. The counter to early voids as he said is an early E-bay or about 4 marines. I personally think that it works better if he goes 4 marines.

Yes I have in fact, I just don't have the replays. Vs. a 4 gate it is advised to skip the 3rd and straight up add more factories and starports. Versus voidrays, I usually make ~4 marines OR turret up as seen in the first replay. I scouted it too late in the first replay, so I had to spam turrets. The thing I was weakest against was an early immortal push, but if you add 8 marines you can easily hold it off.

On October 16 2010 13:38 tournamentnow wrote:
WTF is this? Bronze league play? I saw the replays, and the protoss didn't even make an army,- he had 103 harvesters at 3 base and maxed out all his pylons to 200 pop and was floating so much money. He was at 170 pop with no army and you were at 126.

Those replays demonstrate nothing, and the low APM of the protoss player already proves it- bronze level. When i was watching those replays i was facepalming at very instant where he could have won.

I hope this thread gets deleted because seriously, go ladder and try it why you will instantly lose against any half decent player. Playing on ICCUP - i thought you guys were competitive but replays showed every indication of a low level player and protoss never scouts actively and whole game was turtle like a noob.

On October 16 2010 14:03 iaguz wrote:
I watched about 15 minutes of the first replay, and I'm stopping there compltely unconvinced. The

Why?

First up, play this build on SC2 maps. Oh what, you don't like them? Well, stiff fucking shit, your strategy is worthless on a map no-one plays on. Like, that map you were using is really good for mass turtling because it's huge and the terrain layout of the main and the natural and third support it. Awesome, I can totally apply that logic to any of the maps in the current SC2 map pool.

Wait, no I can't!

Second, the protoss is playing poorly. His build is unrefined, you're both floating crazy, and the counter to mech play is Immortal, HT, chargelot, and building some observers!

Third is that I would hate to go for a purely passive lategame strategy against protoss because the lategame favours them so very hard. Pure mech is dealt with by the above combo, plus a mothership, and the protoss WILL out-eco you the whole time.

I don't like this strategy, and I don't like the chances of pure mech in this matchup at it's current state. Ghost mech MAYBE, but not pure mech.

On October 16 2010 14:10 manicsquare wrote:


Srry my play is bad as they said I am in plat and I don't play like super competitive. Haven't tried Immortal,HT, chargelot yet but just getting chargelots with stalkers they got fryed once he gets so many hellions. I'm also concerned with HTs because I think the same logic would apply.

On October 16 2010 14:15 AnxietE wrote:


WHAT your themiddleone?

HT's are weaker now. thors cant get feedbacked.

On October 16 2010 14:19 NiTrOuS wrote:
The problem is that air is easy to scout, so I can just add on vikings and thors, and reduce hellions and tanks. Its actually a very adaptable build, allowing for air upgrades OR mech upgrades.