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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Played another game today
vs Tamajka ~1300 pts, but has a high mmr judging from his matchlist
Basically, we enter the midgame and I would say we are about even. We've both transferred to our naturals, he's gone Colossus tech and I survived his first push with colossus. So then I tech Mothership and get one of those badboys out. Then when I move out I make a series of stupid blunders;
- forget to macro
- don't notice he has just expanded to the gold expand
- attack into his main, trapping my units
Indeed, attacking into his main was a very stupid idea since what I should have done is used vortex to snipe half his army (like I did) then pull back - but of course my vortex was right on the escape path so I couldn't run away. Nevertheless, I killed 2k worth of units before the Vortex wore off. So while I lost the game, I wouldn't blame the mothership for my loss, rather my idiotic play. Although once again, his two observers get sniped really quickly by my phoenix 
I dno, I still feel like Motherships have a place, just gotta work on it some more until it become natural.
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First off, this build/thread is awesome, Plexa. Well done.
I have a question for anyone who knows about this phoenix/immortal opening. It seems like aside from the phoenixes and immortals, your core army composition is mostly zealots, with a little stalker/sentry support. So, assuming the opponent went 3 Gate Robo Colossus:
What do you do with your phoenixes during the battle?
- Focus the Colossi?
- Lift the Zealots?
- Lift the Stalkers?
- Lift the Sentries?
- Do you lift 1 at a time or just try to take things out of the fight?
I'm leaning towards lifting the Sentries first because they die quickly and force fields will hamper your immortal's ability to do damage. But lifting the zealots could also be important since they're very high dps.
Also, would your priorities on this change once you have a Mothership out?
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very pimp, I love your build. For the record, a completed MS build wreck fast carrier builds.
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OH, a vuvuzela blends! Also, cool build, definetly gonna try it.
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On September 26 2010 01:12 Shlowpoke wrote:
First off, this build/thread is awesome, Plexa. Well done.
I have a question for anyone who knows about this phoenix/immortal opening. It seems like aside from the phoenixes and immortals, your core army composition is mostly zealots, with a little stalker/sentry support. So, assuming the opponent went 3 Gate Robo Colossus:
What do you do with your phoenixes during the battle?
- Focus the Colossi?
- Lift the Zealots?
- Lift the Stalkers?
- Lift the Sentries?
- Do you lift 1 at a time or just try to take things out of the fight?
I'm leaning towards lifting the Sentries first because they die quickly and force fields will hamper your immortal's ability to do damage. But lifting the zealots could also be important since they're very high dps.
Also, would your priorities on this change once you have a Mothership out?
proably lift sentries, zealots and stalkers, in that order, only 1-2 a time. Your goal is to add dps, not to disable.
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Used this strategy today, it was awesome!!! I was in shock and awe through that, and apparently so was my opponent.
http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=152114
My opponent and I were only 1000 diamond, but this gets the point across. The main thing to note is that the mothership saved me from a base trade situation. After that, frequent vortex's rocked that game.
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Funny i had just a game when i went for mothership, although, it was PvT and vs a high lvl gold i think it was.
The guy simply fortifed hes front entrance and FE in lost temple..hell he even got the bunker upgrade.
Then it was like "immortals mabey? um...how the hell im gonna break that wall..?"...oh wait..
i had that evil smile for a moment, got the MS and hell it was so dam fun recalling a mass of immortals,collosi zeaots and stalkers right into hes mineral line.....he was suprised and quited after a few moments lol..
dam too bad i didnt saved the replay.
too dangrous to try it in PVP imo, as ur prob gonna get collosi/void rushed/4 gated roflstomped on the way u get to it.
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On September 26 2010 01:57 Protoss_Carrier wrote:
very pimp, I love your build. For the record, a completed MS build wreck fast carrier builds.
Do we see that often? =S
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Since you're already getting the Fleet Beacon, how effective do you think it would be to throw a Carrier or two into the mix? Their enormous burst damage would be great for sniping Colossi.
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The problem with carriers is that intercepters get sucked into vortex :/
also, getting carriers and the mothership is quite a strain on the econ-belt. I haven't played games where getting a carrier with my mothership is viable quite yet...
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Minion. You sir. Are fucking epic.
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i have always loved motherships, your technique just makes it that much more awesome.
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Another awesome thread, I'd been thinking about how to break away from the standard war of the worlds midgame in PvP (hasn't everyone?) but it wasn't quite clicking, mothership may just be the answer. Thanks bro.
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I really enjoyed your post. I like the concept of the Protoss Mothership and I was stoked when I used one for the first time. Maybe there's more to them than meets the eye.
I'll check out the replays. Keep up the testing!
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Sweet thread, the pheonix + mothership revelation is really the key point. However, I don't see how this is presented as an alternative to colossus. Once the game goes a bit later and the 'rushing mothership' idea is done, wouldn't you still be best off massing colossus under your mothership?
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Awesome. Simply awesome.
Minion's game was really great, I will definitely give it a try.
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So I thought..."hey if it works in diamond, maybe it'll work in plat."
For some reason I can't upload replays. But yeah it's never failed so far after 5 games
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Really interesting BUT: mothership speed is a huge problem. If you make a mothership you lose your mobility..
How do you solve this problem?
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Is that the same Mantra that was in the Day9 Daily? 0.0!
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I've experimented with MS lately, too.
While I didn't think of Ob-snipe, I had one compliment my Zealot/sentry/HT gateway army against T.
Vortex+FF arround Vortex+Storm on concentrated army was pretty hillarious to watch.
Haven't tried it since but this thread sure inspires me to have some more trials with this build against P.
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