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On October 05 2010 01:02 kcdc wrote:
w00t! Beat dimaga (or possibly an imposter, but I don't think it was) today which was my first win against a pro! Also, he was playing Terran, so the win isn't that exciting. Off-racing? Considering leaving Z? Anyone heard?
Dimaga plays on the EU server last time I heard? I thought you were U.S.?
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On October 05 2010 01:02 kcdc wrote:
w00t! Beat dimaga (or possibly an imposter, but I don't think it was) today which was my first win against a pro! Also, he was playing Terran, so the win isn't that exciting. Off-racing? Considering leaving Z? Anyone heard?
Nice! Ya apparently Dimaga plays Terran quite a bit now.
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Post the replay so we can see! 
There's been plenty of rumors for a long time now that Dimiga is considering a switch to Terran.
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On October 05 2010 01:02 kcdc wrote:
w00t! Beat dimaga (or possibly an imposter, but I don't think it was) today which was my first win against a pro! Also, he was playing Terran, so the win isn't that exciting. Off-racing? Considering leaving Z? Anyone heard?
Dimaga plays US server?
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Hm...I've currently been trying this against 3 rax scv cut, all scv push all in, and I don't think it's possible to hold it. Without the scv's it holds just fine. If anyone has a replay showing they can beat it lmk please, I really don't like abandoning it >_> .
Grats on your win kcdc, how I felt when I beat drewbie and qxc although thats not as impressive ^_^ .
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On October 05 2010 02:35 Minigun wrote:
Hm...I've currently been trying this against 3 rax scv cut, all scv push all in, and I don't think it's possible to hold it. Without the scv's it holds just fine. If anyone has a replay showing they can beat it lmk please, I really don't like abandoning it >_> .
Grats on your win kcdc, how I felt when I beat drewbie and qxc although thats not as impressive ^_^ .
which timing are we talking about here? I've seen a rep from NEXGenius (can't find it, I really tried) where he added 3 gates at ~30 with probecut instead of just 2; seems reasonable since you can afford the units if you macro up properly once the gates are done; another thing I've been trying is to constantly chrono-boost immortals from the robo to make perfect use of all production structures
btw, I've encountered a problem of a different kind lately, where the terran would just not push out but get a critical mass of MMM (especially marines!) that melts everything; the push normally comes between 9:00 and 10:00; am I just a bad player, can you hold this with just gateway?
I've tried force fielding, the problem is, they don't need to kite anymore with that big of an army, and on xel naga and metalopolis a clear split is near impossible;
because I've seen socke doing exactly this FE vs morrow on metalopolis where he adds a robotics bay "blindly" right after the facility is done; this will put you in troubles if he does NOT go 3 rax, which you'll find out only after the observer has arrived; if you realize you need phoenixes asap to deal with banshees, that's 200/200 you won't have.....
but then again, if you add the bay right away you can get a colossus out at ~9:30, which would be just in time to hold when MMM gets too big for gateway
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Those thor builds aren't as bad as minigun makes them out to be. Basically I do this FE build as my standard in the matchup. When the terran has gone for a thor timing push ive lost more than Ive won if I FE'd. When I go robo against that push and try to get to collossus quickly I have been able to win because collossus melt the rines that he has to mass up to make up for the gas going to thors. Defensively it seems like VR is the best for dealing with the thor, but it feels risky when you're sure there will be a ton of marines.
TLDR: thors arent bad TvP against certain P builds (im starting to think this FE build). However, thors lose to almost all other P builds pretty miserably.
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On October 05 2010 02:35 Minigun wrote:
Hm...I've currently been trying this against 3 rax scv cut, all scv push all in, and I don't think it's possible to hold it. Without the scv's it holds just fine. If anyone has a replay showing they can beat it lmk please, I really don't like abandoning it >_> .
Grats on your win kcdc, how I felt when I beat drewbie and qxc although thats not as impressive ^_^ .
I think at that point you sack the expo and chill on your ramp with FF and go for coli. Since the push is allin the loss of 400 minerals in a nexus shouldn't be devastating. He also cannot afford to immediately start pumping vikings so you probably can get a coli out early enough to counterpush and win.
The other option would be pull all your probes at main and nat and hope to god you can replenish faster with 2 nexus's vs his 1 CC but mules probably mean you'll end up losing.
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On October 05 2010 04:34 Floophead_III wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 02:35 Minigun wrote:
Hm...I've currently been trying this against 3 rax scv cut, all scv push all in, and I don't think it's possible to hold it. Without the scv's it holds just fine. If anyone has a replay showing they can beat it lmk please, I really don't like abandoning it >_> .
Grats on your win kcdc, how I felt when I beat drewbie and qxc although thats not as impressive ^_^ . I think at that point you sack the expo and chill on your ramp with FF and go for coli. Since the push is allin the loss of 400 minerals in a nexus shouldn't be devastating. He also cannot afford to immediately start pumping vikings so you probably can get a coli out early enough to counterpush and win. The other option would be pull all your probes at main and nat and hope to god you can replenish faster with 2 nexus's vs his 1 CC but mules probably mean you'll end up losing.
Yeah that's what I did, I pulled like half my probes from my main and all from my nat, still wasn't enough. I think if I pulled ALL of my probes, I could have held it, as he only had like 10 marauders at the end all red hp.
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On October 05 2010 04:56 Minigun wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 04:34 Floophead_III wrote:On October 05 2010 02:35 Minigun wrote:
Hm...I've currently been trying this against 3 rax scv cut, all scv push all in, and I don't think it's possible to hold it. Without the scv's it holds just fine. If anyone has a replay showing they can beat it lmk please, I really don't like abandoning it >_> .
Grats on your win kcdc, how I felt when I beat drewbie and qxc although thats not as impressive ^_^ . I think at that point you sack the expo and chill on your ramp with FF and go for coli. Since the push is allin the loss of 400 minerals in a nexus shouldn't be devastating. He also cannot afford to immediately start pumping vikings so you probably can get a coli out early enough to counterpush and win. The other option would be pull all your probes at main and nat and hope to god you can replenish faster with 2 nexus's vs his 1 CC but mules probably mean you'll end up losing. Yeah that's what I did, I pulled like half my probes from my main and all from my nat, still wasn't enough. I think if I pulled ALL of my probes, I could have held it, as he only had like 10 marauders at the end all red hp.
meh. if your make or break gameplay relies on having to pull all your probes to defend, it's not a good build.
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On October 05 2010 06:35 Tossup wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 04:56 Minigun wrote:On October 05 2010 04:34 Floophead_III wrote:On October 05 2010 02:35 Minigun wrote:
Hm...I've currently been trying this against 3 rax scv cut, all scv push all in, and I don't think it's possible to hold it. Without the scv's it holds just fine. If anyone has a replay showing they can beat it lmk please, I really don't like abandoning it >_> .
Grats on your win kcdc, how I felt when I beat drewbie and qxc although thats not as impressive ^_^ . I think at that point you sack the expo and chill on your ramp with FF and go for coli. Since the push is allin the loss of 400 minerals in a nexus shouldn't be devastating. He also cannot afford to immediately start pumping vikings so you probably can get a coli out early enough to counterpush and win. The other option would be pull all your probes at main and nat and hope to god you can replenish faster with 2 nexus's vs his 1 CC but mules probably mean you'll end up losing. Yeah that's what I did, I pulled like half my probes from my main and all from my nat, still wasn't enough. I think if I pulled ALL of my probes, I could have held it, as he only had like 10 marauders at the end all red hp. meh. if your make or break gameplay relies on having to pull all your probes to defend, it's not a good build.
If your attack relies on pulling all your scvs, it's not a good attack? Cmon man think before hitting that reply button.
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On October 05 2010 06:46 Floophead_III wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 06:35 Tossup wrote:On October 05 2010 04:56 Minigun wrote:On October 05 2010 04:34 Floophead_III wrote:On October 05 2010 02:35 Minigun wrote:
Hm...I've currently been trying this against 3 rax scv cut, all scv push all in, and I don't think it's possible to hold it. Without the scv's it holds just fine. If anyone has a replay showing they can beat it lmk please, I really don't like abandoning it >_> .
Grats on your win kcdc, how I felt when I beat drewbie and qxc although thats not as impressive ^_^ . I think at that point you sack the expo and chill on your ramp with FF and go for coli. Since the push is allin the loss of 400 minerals in a nexus shouldn't be devastating. He also cannot afford to immediately start pumping vikings so you probably can get a coli out early enough to counterpush and win. The other option would be pull all your probes at main and nat and hope to god you can replenish faster with 2 nexus's vs his 1 CC but mules probably mean you'll end up losing. Yeah that's what I did, I pulled like half my probes from my main and all from my nat, still wasn't enough. I think if I pulled ALL of my probes, I could have held it, as he only had like 10 marauders at the end all red hp. meh. if your make or break gameplay relies on having to pull all your probes to defend, it's not a good build. If your attack relies on pulling all your scvs, it's not a good attack? Cmon man think before hitting that reply button.
Lol there should be an IQ requirement before posting on these forums  .
I would like someone to test this with a 3 rax all in scv push though.
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As I think was suggested, what if you just let your expo fall, move back up the ramp, and FF the ramp (preferably cutting off a few units from the pack with each FF), and warp-in sentries as needed. You'll eventually gain a massive econ/unit advantage.
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On October 05 2010 07:36 whoopadeedoo wrote:
As I think was suggested, what if you just let your expo fall, move back up the ramp, and FF the ramp (preferably cutting off a few units from the pack with each FF), and warp-in sentries as needed. You'll eventually gain a massive econ/unit advantage.
Yeah It's what I've been doing, with good success, but if you could defend at your expo, that would be even cooler .
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On October 05 2010 01:43 Floophead_III wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 01:02 kcdc wrote:
w00t! Beat dimaga (or possibly an imposter, but I don't think it was) today which was my first win against a pro! Also, he was playing Terran, so the win isn't that exciting. Off-racing? Considering leaving Z? Anyone heard? Dimaga plays US server?
It was on the US server--the account was pretty new. Mostly custom games, and his ladder was like 25-3. It's possible that it was some random poser, but I haven't run into a lot of good players that fake being pros w/ their accounts.
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Ah. When you said "abandoning it," I thought you meant quitting on 1 gate FE
I'm curious if there's another option. Mothership? :D
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On October 05 2010 07:47 kcdc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 01:43 Floophead_III wrote:On October 05 2010 01:02 kcdc wrote:
w00t! Beat dimaga (or possibly an imposter, but I don't think it was) today which was my first win against a pro! Also, he was playing Terran, so the win isn't that exciting. Off-racing? Considering leaving Z? Anyone heard? Dimaga plays US server? It was on the US server--the account was pretty new. Mostly custom games, and his ladder was like 25-3. It's possible that it was some random poser, but I haven't run into a lot of good players that fake being pros w/ their accounts.
Just find replay packs of Dimaga and see if the habits and hotkeys are the same. That's how we used to ID smurfs in BW.
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On October 05 2010 07:50 whoopadeedoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 07:47 kcdc wrote:On October 05 2010 01:43 Floophead_III wrote:On October 05 2010 01:02 kcdc wrote:
w00t! Beat dimaga (or possibly an imposter, but I don't think it was) today which was my first win against a pro! Also, he was playing Terran, so the win isn't that exciting. Off-racing? Considering leaving Z? Anyone heard? Dimaga plays US server? It was on the US server--the account was pretty new. Mostly custom games, and his ladder was like 25-3. It's possible that it was some random poser, but I haven't run into a lot of good players that fake being pros w/ their accounts. Just find replay packs of Dimaga and see if the habits and hotkeys are the same. That's how we used to ID smurfs in BW.
We do not have a lot of replays of dimaga playing terran do we tho?
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On October 05 2010 07:46 Minigun wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 07:36 whoopadeedoo wrote:
As I think was suggested, what if you just let your expo fall, move back up the ramp, and FF the ramp (preferably cutting off a few units from the pack with each FF), and warp-in sentries as needed. You'll eventually gain a massive econ/unit advantage. Yeah It's what I've been doing, with good success, but if you could defend at your expo, that would be even cooler .
after seeing a couple of games, in all honesty I think it's just very map-dependent
you can hold it easily on lost temple and blistering sands if you position correctly to block exactly at the small spot (which I'm sure you are capable of); I'd say it's near impossible on xel naga, metalopolis and delta quadrant
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