Hi guys, new here (newfag). Sc2 is really my first rts. Anyway i keep running into these nerds who just block off their ramp with pylons with photon cannons behind them, then they just sit their and mass carrier. I've tried the bangeling bust to get through them, doesnt really work that well vs prtoss. Anyway, what is a good way to counter a mass carrier build, and what is a good way to get that wall of turrets down?

Mantikor

United States68 Posts

August 07 2010 07:25 GMT

Have you tried Nydus worm?

Devil!

United States10 Posts

August 07 2010 07:28 GMT

yeah i know thats a possibility to get in his base, but only if he doesnt have the whole thing scouted

Glaven

Canada554 Posts

August 07 2010 07:38 GMT

If he's turtling and building carriers outmacro him and mass corruptors or hydralisks. Destroy him with your econ.

nahk4r

United States47 Posts

August 07 2010 07:43 GMT

yea there's no scourge anymore... but still, upgraded zerglings and roaches can kill off cannons pretty quickly

even if he has a few carriers, if you get 2-3 base in the beginning and swarm the protoss... i'd safely guess you can kill him before he gets that many carriers.

or you can just wait for mass corruptors to deal with carrier while attacking the protoss base with broodlord, ovie drops, nydus worm, etc etc. the problem with carrier is that 1. if he loses interceptor you have to build more so you need decent amount of minerao and 2. they are very very slow. kill their probes, corrupt their stargate or w/e that's called, just keep harrassing him with zerg's mobility

Steamboatlol

United States161 Posts

August 07 2010 07:55 GMT

corruptors. Be sure to upgrade carapace, without air attack upgrades each carapace upgrade decreases their dmg by 20%

Arkaridge

Australia48 Posts

August 07 2010 10:32 GMT

Grab a few expansions (2 or 3), and go straight to muta or corruptors (corruptors would be better if you already see several Carriers).

Since he's turtling up, he won't be attacking you until later. Muta will be good, if there are only 2-3 carriers out, and you have 10 or so muta to snipe them (numbers off the top of my head), once the carriers are down you can then use them to harrass and attack key buildings. Corruptors are the more effective Zerg counter, but once the carriers are down they become a little redundant (unless you get broodlords)

You could always try drops or N.worm.

Vessel

United States214 Posts

August 07 2010 10:37 GMT

the instant you run up his ramp and see a wall of cannons, you should assume he is on one base and is massing something, so you are safe to expand multiple times very quickly and get a very strong economy going. once your economy far outweighs his you can easily throw expensive units at him until he breaks (broodlords backed up with hydras or corruptors comes to mind). it is also advantages to send an overlord to every expansion just to make sure he doesnt manage to expand. if he does, just run over and kill it, then retreat. carriers are very slow so he wouldnt be able to defend multiple places at once

EnderCN

United States499 Posts

August 07 2010 13:47 GMT

Corruptors and Brood Lords. Banelings don't deal with really massed cannons that well. Brood Lords work great against them though.

Bair

United States698 Posts

August 07 2010 14:07 GMT

#10

On August 07 2010 22:47 EnderCN wrote:
Corruptors and Brood Lords. Banelings don't deal with really massed cannons that well. Brood Lords work great against them though.

This is it. Carapace upgraded corruptors and a few brood lords to slowly melt his base. Since carriers have 8 attacks, they also take 8x the armor penalty, and with the bonus against massive they do wonderfully.

Acritter

Syria7637 Posts

August 07 2010 14:17 GMT

#11

Pfft, don't even bother with Broodlords. Just get double Spire for faster upgrades and send wave after wave of Corruptors into his base from your six bases. Wait until he ragequits, or if you have to leave soon, mass Mutas.

There is no way in hell a one-base Carrier build should be able to beat a Zerg player.

Bair

United States698 Posts

August 07 2010 14:20 GMT

#12

On August 07 2010 23:17 Acritter wrote:
Pfft, don't even bother with Broodlords. Just get double Spire for faster upgrades and send wave after wave of Corruptors into his base from your six bases. Wait until he ragequits, or if you have to leave soon, mass Mutas.

There is no way in hell a one-base Carrier build should be able to beat a Zerg player.

Maybe I am missing something, but what good would corruptors actually do against groud without brolords? They cannot corrupt buildings like they used to.

supersoft

Germany3729 Posts

August 07 2010 14:27 GMT

#13

so in copper there is the strategie of mass carrierrushes still alive =)
I thought that day9 and his scII educations had turned us all into superpros

birdkicker

United States752 Posts

August 07 2010 14:28 GMT

#14

On August 07 2010 16:23 Devil! wrote:
Anyway i keep running into these nerds who just block off their ramp with pylons with photon cannons behind them, then they just sit their and mass carrier.

Because massing carriers is a very useful talent toi have.

WillKill

United States8 Posts

August 07 2010 14:45 GMT

#15

Just play and keep practicing. Massing carriers is very difficult once you become a decent player because your opponent will have no way to make them with all of your pressure. But to answer your question it's Terran: Vikins, Zerg: Corruptors, and Toss: Phoenix. Make sure to focus fire carriers rather than the interceptors.

mrk

Korea (South)60 Posts

August 07 2010 14:47 GMT

#16

There's no way you can "mass" carriers off 1 base, and similarly no way you can take an expo if you're going straight to carrier. Hence I do not see how this strategy is ever working.

Take whole map, macro hard.
Hit 200 supply about 10x faster than him.
Win game?

Seriously just don't suicide small armies into cannons and play the outmacro game. When he shows up with his tiny force of carriers just FF it down while instantly macro'ing back another 200 supply while he has 0 gas and crush him.

Ichabod

United States1659 Posts

August 07 2010 15:40 GMT

#17

Corruptors and hydralisks fare well against them, quite efficiently, so as long as you're not behind in base count and upgrades you should do fine.

(can also use infestors with FG and NP, I suppose immobilizing the interceptors makes them useless for the duration)