[Q] How to stop Hellion Harrass as Zerg?

On August 06 2010 15:41 chickensnack wrote:
Honestly, a spine crawler or two probably would have deterred the helion harrass. Unless, of course, there was a huge number of them in which case he probably doesn't have any anti-air *hint hint*

On August 06 2010 15:46 MisterMime wrote:
Roaches Buttfuck Helions, try not to expand until you have fully developed your first base, theres no need for 2 bases if you cant even manage/keep safe 1 base.

On August 06 2010 15:54 HardcoreBilly wrote:


Nah, always go early expand vs Terran unless you're attempting a baneling bust. There are tons of Hellion deterrent. Speedling/Roach/Queen/Spine Crawler.

On August 06 2010 16:10 Crabman123 wrote:


I will have to disagree. Me and many others have been having a lot of success with sens 1 base muta build. It is extremely safe and if played correctly you can keep your opponent in their base for a long time.

On August 06 2010 16:15 superbabosheki wrote:


I go mass reaper destorys fast lair, lets you get a CC, turrets, and tech to thors before mutas even pop.

On August 06 2010 16:06 kamicom wrote:
Goobus' idea seemed solid but what if they attack natural mineral line instead? Queen's DPS is not fast enough to stop a couple of fatal hellion volleys on drones (even if hellions took damage running past spines).

2-3 hellions with decent micro could break even in taking on 8-12 lings. Or maybe it's just the fact that it's splash damage that scares me to try speedlings (I'm traumatized from firebats). I shall experiment...

On August 06 2010 16:28 Crabman123 wrote:


I think you extremely underestimate speedlings vs reapers. And your going to build at least 2 barracks with tech labs, get the speed upgrade, get a CC, engineering bay, turrets, and a thor before I get my mutas out? I really don't think you can get that much shit out in time and if you do its a waste of money to get that much air defense. Really though you think mass reapers is a valid response to fast lair? Well it isn't because you get speedlings first.

On August 06 2010 16:15 superbabosheki wrote:


I go mass reaper destorys fast lair, lets you get a CC, turrets, and tech to thors before mutas even pop.

On August 06 2010 15:48 Goobus wrote:


I disagree with the part about anti-air. Hellions cost no gas. It's actually a pretty common transition to go into banshees after hellions.

That said, the way to stop hellions is lings, spine crawlers, and queens. Put spine crawlers at your nat, and chase down the hellions with speed upgraded lings. Try to hide at the top of your ramp to get a surprise surround on them, or catch them while they are running behind your minerals (since speedlings run at about the speed of light on creep). Otherwise, you could use your queen to block the ramp and let the spinecrawlers do the job. At that point you should watch out for hellion drops or banshees.

On August 06 2010 19:38 superbabosheki wrote:


Sounds super nice, care to share a replay?
You have no clue how much reapers can delay EVERYTHING, or just outright the game vs someone that is only on speed lings.

I can say with confidence 90% of zergs will not be able to go 1 base muta vs 3 rax reaper. Sen can do it, ladder zergs can not. Reapers cost 50/50 letting me get a FAST CC, a factory once I cut reapers, a fast port/armory, WHILE putting on extreme pressure. Zerg can't make drones in this situation, and believe me, I can make 10+ reapers around the time the spire starts, good luck beating that with speedlings, and if zerg can miracuously make 6 mutas in this situation, they have to chase around reapers which OUTRUN them. If zerg goes to my main I will most likely be able to defend it, and I'll just send all my reapers back into his base.

Really what can zerg do, make roaches, spinecrawlers, more zerglings, more queens? Sure go ahead, but that's less drones, less gas, less and slower mutas. One base zerg is a joke vs reapers atm.