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Gyro
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway36 Posts
July 31 2010 08:08 GMT
#61
He has a stream? I will watch his ZvT matches with a righteouss fury.

I really need to learn something here. All my stuff turn into a pile of goo the moment i realize i have Mech on my ass.

And how awesome is the baneling bomb drop?! Definitely gonna incorporate that into my play.
That really hurt
Philosophy
Profile Joined May 2010
186 Posts
July 31 2010 14:46 GMT
#62
People who go nuts over Sen should definately check out ogs.Cool, as he is the #1 korean player and won the 17173 world cup.

One of my favourites:

imperator-xy
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany1366 Posts
July 31 2010 15:02 GMT
#63
On July 31 2010 23:46 Philosophy wrote:
People who go nuts over Sen should definately check out ogs.Cool, as he is the #1 korean player and won the 17173 world cup.

One of my favourites:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucMo44z66ME


he already switched to terran as that seems to be the best race at the moment

http://www.readmore.de/index.php?cont=replay_sc2&id=28395
tacrats
Profile Joined July 2010
476 Posts
July 31 2010 15:17 GMT
#64
On July 31 2010 03:45 Faulteh wrote:
I have to agree. The games were amazing.

The thing that kind of bothered me though was that Sen had to have amazing control. Super stellar control. Flanking, feinting, overlord sac'ing, baneling dropping all to counter terrans 1a2a siege play. Then, the terran's push was still very nearly successful.

Something seems a bit wrong about that.


+1

ps - people saying that positioning is key for the 1a2a army... dont kid yourself, its not that hard in sc2. Positioning of ur 1a2a is infinitely easier than defeating your 1a2a.

Philosophy
Profile Joined May 2010
186 Posts
July 31 2010 15:52 GMT
#65
On August 01 2010 00:02 imperator-xy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2010 23:46 Philosophy wrote:
People who go nuts over Sen should definately check out ogs.Cool, as he is the #1 korean player and won the 17173 world cup.

One of my favourites:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucMo44z66ME


he already switched to terran as that seems to be the best race at the moment

http://www.readmore.de/index.php?cont=replay_sc2&id=28395


Thanks for the link, thats really sad.
Guess Sen is my new #1 then, unless Cool is just going through a phase.

OPSavioR
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1465 Posts
July 31 2010 16:06 GMT
#66
On August 01 2010 00:17 tacrats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2010 03:45 Faulteh wrote:
I have to agree. The games were amazing.

The thing that kind of bothered me though was that Sen had to have amazing control. Super stellar control. Flanking, feinting, overlord sac'ing, baneling dropping all to counter terrans 1a2a siege play. Then, the terran's push was still very nearly successful.

Something seems a bit wrong about that.


+1

ps - people saying that positioning is key for the 1a2a army... dont kid yourself, its not that hard in sc2. Positioning of ur 1a2a is infinitely easier than defeating your 1a2a.


+1 with all of it.
All i do is contain the Meching terran with mutas and poke into his defense and shit.
i dunno lol
Chriamon
Profile Joined April 2010
United States886 Posts
July 31 2010 16:33 GMT
#67
On August 01 2010 01:06 OPSavioR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2010 00:17 tacrats wrote:
On July 31 2010 03:45 Faulteh wrote:
I have to agree. The games were amazing.

The thing that kind of bothered me though was that Sen had to have amazing control. Super stellar control. Flanking, feinting, overlord sac'ing, baneling dropping all to counter terrans 1a2a siege play. Then, the terran's push was still very nearly successful.

Something seems a bit wrong about that.


+1

ps - people saying that positioning is key for the 1a2a army... dont kid yourself, its not that hard in sc2. Positioning of ur 1a2a is infinitely easier than defeating your 1a2a.


+1 with all of it.
All i do is contain the Meching terran with mutas and poke into his defense and shit.

This is all and good for the midgame, you just have to be careful to transition into some tier 3 (or be good at using infestors or drops) otherwise you'll get rolled when he reaches critical mass.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/274906/1/Blaze/
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
July 31 2010 18:25 GMT
#68
For people wondering why Sen is in Platinum, I won 5-0 and still in Platinum on SEA server. I think its either that 5-0 is not gurantee diamond or there is no Diamond in ASIA now
Terran
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
July 31 2010 18:47 GMT
#69
Watching the match you guys were talking about rightnow. It turned out that Sen's opponent is a mainland Chinese player from a share account at 8da- a well known chinese SC site. So his opponent is good, maybe even be some chinese pro!
Terran
Antpile
Profile Joined March 2009
United States213 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-31 19:33:10
July 31 2010 19:31 GMT
#70
On August 01 2010 01:33 Chriamon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2010 01:06 OPSavioR wrote:

+1 with all of it.
All i do is contain the Meching terran with mutas and poke into his defense and shit.


This is all and good for the midgame, you just have to be careful to transition into some tier 3 (or be good at using infestors or drops) otherwise you'll get rolled when he reaches critical mass.


the muta build build vs mech came from Sen too. after they buffed the crap out of thor AA, everyone stopped going muta for a bit. Sen brought it back and was featured by Day9 for his interesting strat of using muta vs terran again.

The idea isn't to transition to t3, or to win with muta. The whole point is to 1 base tech straight to muta, hide the spire with OL creep, and then harass with them and expand. While harassing he'd build his roach warren and evo chambers. He was just trying to contain and force them to make more thor/marine and less tank/marauder so he could burrow move roach to victory.
JQL
Profile Joined July 2010
United States214 Posts
July 31 2010 21:00 GMT
#71
Sen has good game sense, great control, one of the best Zerg out there.
no way
Chriamon
Profile Joined April 2010
United States886 Posts
July 31 2010 22:47 GMT
#72
On August 01 2010 04:31 Antpile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2010 01:33 Chriamon wrote:
On August 01 2010 01:06 OPSavioR wrote:

+1 with all of it.
All i do is contain the Meching terran with mutas and poke into his defense and shit.


This is all and good for the midgame, you just have to be careful to transition into some tier 3 (or be good at using infestors or drops) otherwise you'll get rolled when he reaches critical mass.


the muta build build vs mech came from Sen too. after they buffed the crap out of thor AA, everyone stopped going muta for a bit. Sen brought it back and was featured by Day9 for his interesting strat of using muta vs terran again.

The idea isn't to transition to t3, or to win with muta. The whole point is to 1 base tech straight to muta, hide the spire with OL creep, and then harass with them and expand. While harassing he'd build his roach warren and evo chambers. He was just trying to contain and force them to make more thor/marine and less tank/marauder so he could burrow move roach to victory.

Yea, but I still feel like this kind of just works because its Sen doing it. Usually when I do mutas, I hid the spire but do it off of 2 bases. It works to get the opponent to go thor and expand like you said, but I've had trouble using burrowed roaches vs thors. Normally I go for ultra drops and baneling drops on the tank line and then sprint in with roaches. I guess the burrowed roaches are just Sen's style, and hes good with that.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/274906/1/Blaze/
Antpile
Profile Joined March 2009
United States213 Posts
July 31 2010 22:51 GMT
#73
On August 01 2010 07:47 Chriamon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2010 04:31 Antpile wrote:
On August 01 2010 01:33 Chriamon wrote:
On August 01 2010 01:06 OPSavioR wrote:

+1 with all of it.
All i do is contain the Meching terran with mutas and poke into his defense and shit.


This is all and good for the midgame, you just have to be careful to transition into some tier 3 (or be good at using infestors or drops) otherwise you'll get rolled when he reaches critical mass.


the muta build build vs mech came from Sen too. after they buffed the crap out of thor AA, everyone stopped going muta for a bit. Sen brought it back and was featured by Day9 for his interesting strat of using muta vs terran again.

The idea isn't to transition to t3, or to win with muta. The whole point is to 1 base tech straight to muta, hide the spire with OL creep, and then harass with them and expand. While harassing he'd build his roach warren and evo chambers. He was just trying to contain and force them to make more thor/marine and less tank/marauder so he could burrow move roach to victory.

Yea, but I still feel like this kind of just works because its Sen doing it. Usually when I do mutas, I hid the spire but do it off of 2 bases. It works to get the opponent to go thor and expand like you said, but I've had trouble using burrowed roaches vs thors. Normally I go for ultra drops and baneling drops on the tank line and then sprint in with roaches. I guess the burrowed roaches are just Sen's style, and hes good with that.


Oh, and i also love the muta opening because it gives you control of the air. This stops all sorts of overlord sniping/banshee bs/annoying drops and just generally makes the game easier. If he starts going vikings to try and take air control back, you've basically already won.
Ruthless
Profile Joined August 2008
United States492 Posts
July 31 2010 22:54 GMT
#74
Even if he plays this well just imagine how much less terran can do to put up a major fight against it :D
Chriamon
Profile Joined April 2010
United States886 Posts
August 01 2010 00:23 GMT
#75
On August 01 2010 00:02 imperator-xy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2010 23:46 Philosophy wrote:
People who go nuts over Sen should definately check out ogs.Cool, as he is the #1 korean player and won the 17173 world cup.

One of my favourites:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucMo44z66ME


he already switched to terran as that seems to be the best race at the moment

http://www.readmore.de/index.php?cont=replay_sc2&id=28395


This replay is Random vs Random, is it not?
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/274906/1/Blaze/
Nonsense
Profile Joined July 2010
United States53 Posts
August 01 2010 00:50 GMT
#76
On August 01 2010 06:00 JQL wrote:
Sen has good game sense, great control, one of the best Zerg out there.

yeah definitely. his game is solid all around and his builds are really versatile. no wonder he's a top player.
ixi.genocide
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States981 Posts
August 01 2010 05:50 GMT
#77
I love muta's versus terrans. Even if they have a lot of marines or thors, mutas can still do damage and def contain (especially when you have you mutas leave at the back of their base). Making them build turrets and more thor centric army is good. I often FE Mutaling play and tech to hydra/ling/ultra for late game.
Dr_Strange
Profile Joined April 2009
United States80 Posts
August 01 2010 06:30 GMT
#78
On July 31 2010 03:27 Ocedic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2010 03:15 Snowfield wrote:
Didn't watch his stream, don't know who this is, please provide a link

And all those points is i think pretty standard high level zerg play? if there wasn't anything i missed.

Id like teh livestream links though so i could check out the VODs


Sen is a contender for being the best player in the world. It's a shame he wasn't invited to KotB (not to take anything from the winner of that tourney though.) I'm blown away every time I see Sen play.

Before facing Sen TLO claimed that his TvZ was unstoppable. Sen took him down quite a few notches.


Sen was invited, he was unable to play though.
I am the sorcerer supreme.
pencilcase
Profile Joined September 2007
United States330 Posts
August 01 2010 06:43 GMT
#79
On August 01 2010 00:02 imperator-xy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2010 23:46 Philosophy wrote:
People who go nuts over Sen should definately check out ogs.Cool, as he is the #1 korean player and won the 17173 world cup.

One of my favourites:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucMo44z66ME


he already switched to terran as that seems to be the best race at the moment

http://www.readmore.de/index.php?cont=replay_sc2&id=28395

Actually, it seems like he is playing random going by the ladder stats on his account.
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
August 01 2010 07:18 GMT
#80
On August 01 2010 00:02 imperator-xy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2010 23:46 Philosophy wrote:
People who go nuts over Sen should definately check out ogs.Cool, as he is the #1 korean player and won the 17173 world cup.

One of my favourites:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucMo44z66ME


he already switched to terran as that seems to be the best race at the moment

http://www.readmore.de/index.php?cont=replay_sc2&id=28395


No freaking way. Really?

ohh random I guess that isn't too bad.
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