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[H] ZvP Stalker into Archon/High Templar
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BigDatez
Canada434 Posts
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Iparshuyhe
United States30 Posts
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mkfk1
United Kingdom153 Posts
His harassment was also not as good as you think. He didnt really snipe alot of overlord. Nor did he snipe all your queen. He didnt really kill a lot of workers either. But you were running in and out with your lings. If you had just engaged, they will take alot of dmg. And yes, speedling kill mass stalker. Regarding your muta harass, it wasnt aggressive. You should be flying left and right, and dening his 3rd expension. If you have enough muta, 15-20 ish, the bounce will be deadly. So far, it is rare for a protoss to survive a true muta harass without phoenix. Lastly, stalkers harass, and archon didnt kill you, storm, and his 3rd expansion did. Things to note, templer are gas heavily. He didnt really have much gas left for sentry. run your cheap lings in for a surround. Dont fight him in a choke. Strom are friendly fire. He wont strom his own stalker, if you fight him in the open, with packs of speed lings to charge in first. And if you are really creative, a few banglings to come from the back to splash the templers. Templers are light armor. PS: if you want to get muta, either be committed to it or dont get it. Mass stalkers loss to mass mutas. If you had went mass muta, and assuming you have the mirco to dodge strom, that game could have been yours. Unless Blizzard decided to change stalkers dmg in the future, stalker will suck vs light units. | ||
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Tozar
United States245 Posts
But seriously, roach/hydra compositions own stalkers and storm head to head. | ||
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Fizbin
Canada202 Posts
its so sad but its true. roach hydra ftw.. soo gay... | ||
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BigDatez
Canada434 Posts
Either way, i guess i could have been more on-time with injects and made more lings, but i mean the archons would eat the lings up, he wouldnt even have to storm. | ||
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puril
United States43 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
And I'm pretty dam sure stalkers don't out-dps roaches, especially with upgrades. | ||
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BigDatez
Canada434 Posts
30 roach vs 30 stalkers, the stalkers win INCREDIBLY well (not to mention that this program goes based off every unit being in range of another, which is not possible to get to when stalkers can blink) and 50 roach loses to 30 stalkers when it goes based off a non-every unit hit system calculation (which would be the more ideal ball-like formation) That is 100 food vs 60 food, now zerg has ~60 food for drones, and only 40 to get hydra/infestor/ling, etc in a fair battle, as Protoss would have an additional 80. I think before when roach were 1 food that they were a decent counter against stalker/archon/HT, but not so much anymore at all. | ||
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heishe
Germany2284 Posts
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KaiserJohan
Sweden1808 Posts
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Toran7
United States160 Posts
On May 16 2010 16:59 heishe wrote: zvp is not winnable in the current situation if you're equally skilled to your opponent. the only viable thing vs protoss was roach/hydra/broodlord (ling/muta is totally useless now), but that is obsolete now since roaches take too much supply and hydras get countered to well by storm. Sometimes exaggerating can help prove a point, other times it makes you look like an idiot | ||
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heishe
Germany2284 Posts
On May 16 2010 23:01 Toran7 wrote: Sometimes exaggerating can help prove a point, other times it makes you look like an idiot explain why it's exaggerated. | ||
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JaspluR
Australia174 Posts
and youre saying just give up on zvp lol speedling/roach should def handle mass stalkers, stalkers' damage are pretty laughable, and even with blink speedlings will still rip them apart just defend for the time being and if he tries to push you, you can try and backstab also mass muta can handle mass stalker well because of the splash but thats after you get more than 5-10 | ||
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BigDatez
Canada434 Posts
On May 16 2010 23:01 Toran7 wrote: Sometimes exaggerating can help prove a point, other times it makes you look like an idiot The degree of this exaggeration is very small actually. I found that i had to be atleast 2 expos ahead of my opponents in ZvP now and move out when i have 200/200 and enough minerals, gas, and larve to spawn a full army again, just to take out his army ONCE. | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On May 16 2010 23:18 JaspluR wrote: dude hes asking how to beat mass stalker into arch/ht.. and youre saying just give up on zvp lol speedling/roach should def handle mass stalkers, stalkers' damage are pretty laughable, and even with blink speedlings will still rip them apart just defend for the time being and if he tries to push you, you can try and backstab also mass muta can handle mass stalker well because of the splash but thats after you get more than 5-10 Well, as I was watching the replay like, 12 Stalkers took out 25ish speedlings on top of them with great micro. Not to mention, the HT's make lings laughable. | ||
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Equalizer
Canada115 Posts
Zeglings should be able to hold off stalker till you get hydras. Hydra lings should beat any amount of stalkers so the protoss needs high templar. Infesters are on similar tech level as high templar and can be used to neural paracite the high templars and use their storm against the protoss blancing the storms that the protoss does manage to get off against you. | ||
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Andtwo
United States126 Posts
On May 17 2010 12:36 Equalizer wrote: Infesters are on similar tech level as high templar and can be used to neural paracite the high templars and use their storm against the protoss blancing the storms that the protoss does manage to get off against you. If you go this route, you need to get burrow and have an overseer with you (to snipe obs) because people forget about feedback. They'll feedback your casters if you can't NP them first. If you are able to NP them, I'd suggest to consider feedbacking their templar. One other question is simply on an even number of bases, does P really have enough gas for a lot of templar/archons + stalkers? If they're going more of a templar/archon/zealot comp with few stalkers, an ultra switch can catch them by surprise, especially if you have melee ups from your initial lings. | ||
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f0rgiv3n
United States112 Posts
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cbkenned2009
United States55 Posts
I like the baneling idea, generally I think banelings are amazing and sadly haven't had any zerg use them against me yet. Also, Creep. Creep is your friend. When I fight off creep, I'm not afraid of hydras, storm is destruction. When I am on creep, storm is awful, hydras just run for half second and take 20-40 damage tops (not even all of them) while my templar eat it. If I have to get in close to storm "the middle" then the templar shoudl be dead from hydras auto-fire or your micro. | ||
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