EPTThanks for the help. I'm like 1320ish, I think.
[Q] ZvT, stopping reaper harass while FE'ing?
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
Thanks for the help. I'm like 1320ish, I think. | ||
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Deleted User 55994
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s2pid_loser
United States699 Posts
what map was it on? if its a map that takes ur overlord too long to scout, use a drone to scout to see if hes going fast reapers if so, delay ur expansion and get ling speed, once u have that, u can deal with reapers a lot better | ||
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
The game on Kulas I killed his first SCV with the bunker at like 85% done, then he got a second one eventually after his first reaper killed my drone+queen+maybeling army (I sent 2-3 drones, cant remember exactly) and that SCV finished the bunker and he hopped in and killed my Hatchery after a bit x_X It was prob gg from there on out because I had a ton of minerals, low gas, no tech. | ||
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
On May 04 2010 14:53 Vei wrote: Any pro tips? I just lost a game to that today and raged horribly :[ It seems like you can't do ****, especially if they get a bunker up. However, I did go a little drone heavy at the start (by 1 or 2 really), and if I made lings I might've been able to stop it. No replays because I sort of just want general advice -- is this something that you higher rated players still lose to occasionally, or is just getting lings faster enough to deal with it? Thanks for the help. I'm like 1320ish, I think. Dude was it on Kulas Ravine and the Terran kept jumping his Reaper up and down the cliff? If so that was me lol. The guy I played typed "bg" at the end, and then said, "actually that was a terrible game" and then rage quit. Edit: ahhh nvm I didn't build a bunker. | ||
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Insanious
Canada1251 Posts
if he has a bunker up, get 2 - 3 roaches, they kill bunkers in like 2 seconds. While getting roaches, tech to lair to get hydras to kill banshees, then when bunker is down expo... | ||
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
On May 04 2010 15:19 Slow Motion wrote: Dude was it on Kulas Ravine and the Terran kept jumping his Reaper up and down the cliff? If so that was me lol. The guy I played typed "bg" at the end, and then said, "actually that was a terrible game" and then rage quit. Edit: ahhh nvm I didn't build a bunker. i was saying stuff like omfg what the fuck oh my fucking god -proceed to leave- haha i think that was the third game of my loss streak, thankfully i went 3-0 after that >___> On May 04 2010 15:20 Insanious wrote: Once you get a queen up the reaper harass is done. if he has a bunker up, get 2 - 3 roaches, they kill bunkers in like 2 seconds. While getting roaches, tech to lair to get hydras to kill banshees, then when bunker is down expo... Yeah I agree about the Queen thing, I think I just went too drone heavy in retrospect.. I just sort of was looking for Terran PoV's, like the guy I played presumably was good but not one of THE best; I was curious if reaper+bunker is something, if executed 100% perfectly, is able to prevent FE. I saw a 20+page thread qqing about bunkerreaper on the SC2 general forums, but I don't take those threads too seriously ;P | ||
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Deleted User 55994
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
On May 04 2010 15:28 faction123 wrote: If your hatch finishes before the bunker you should be fine, crawlers outrange bunkers (at least in my experience, this could be a bug) and you can get one up before the hatch is close to dead. Of course you want to avoid the bunker going up in the first place so yeah, gotta keep your 2nd OL over the hatch. Regardless, did you say his reaper killed your queen before the bunker was up? O_O Uhh no like, I attacked with my queen + drones and lost my drones but killed his SCV and weakened his bunker, and then I got some lings + queen to finish off the bunker then all my lings died in the process, then he kited my queen (easily) and finished off my hatchery, went to the ledge to avoid broodlords. I felt like I either had to get that expo up or it was gg, so I tried again, and then sent my queen/lings to protect it but my lings were easily killed because he had like 4 reapers by now, and then my off-creep Queen got raped also ;P and then I left. | ||
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Tanc
United States28 Posts
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ManiacTheZealot
United States490 Posts
Here's a replay so you can see just how ridiculous it is. Replay | ||
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
On May 04 2010 20:41 Tanc wrote: Why do you need to FE? Just do what every single z does against T. get speedlings first, then tech to mutas, while you're getting a lair then you expand. The Terran player can't do anything, at least I've never been able to find anything that can stop you from getting map control after that happens. really o_O what rating are you at? interesting strat, i used to something similar except it was speedlings-> defend expo from MM ->muta contain and its gg from there but now people don't attack my FE with easily killable-by-speedling armies  | ||
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Insanious
Canada1251 Posts
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Tanc
United States28 Posts
On May 04 2010 20:53 Vei wrote: really o_O what rating are you at? interesting strat, i used to something similar except it was speedlings-> defend expo from MM ->muta contain and its gg from there but now people don't attack my FE with easily killable-by-speedling armies I'm 1700 rating plat. Here are some replays to show you what I'm talking about. http://www.sc2rc.com/index.php/replay/show/3579 I messed up the bunker/reaper rush here. But honestly it made no difference. http://www.sc2rc.com/index.php/replay/show/3577 And that one is what 90% of zerg do when I bunker reaper rush their expo. It's pretty much one of the only strats that I lose to on a frequent basis. | ||
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Alsn
Sweden995 Posts
Remember, fast reapers means he cut scvs; if he doesn't get to kill more than the stray probe/ling he is behind. Spoiler tag for those that haven't seen the HDH ro16 vods yet. + Show Spoiler + You should check out the games featuring Ret in the HDH ro16, he gets suprised by reaper bunker at his nat in game one and the terran stubbornly tries the same thing in games 2-3 and gets punished for it. | ||
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goszar
Belarus119 Posts
On May 04 2010 15:19 Slow Motion wrote: Dude was it on Kulas Ravine and the Terran kept jumping his Reaper up and down the cliff? If so that was me lol. The guy I played typed "bg" at the end, and then said, "actually that was a terrible game" and then rage quit. Edit: ahhh nvm I didn't build a bunker. I also say "bg" after such games and explain what I mean if opp does not understand. I don't mind you playing whatever start you choose, but just don't want to waste time practicing how do defend another cheese. | ||
Chill
Calgary25997 Posts
hahahaha | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On May 05 2010 22:09 goszar wrote: I also say "bg" after such games and explain what I mean if opp does not understand. I don't mind you playing whatever start you choose, but just don't want to waste time practicing how do defend another cheese. what? read what you said again and see if that makes any sense. You won't be playing this game very long with that attitude.. Reaper harass is one of the backbone strategies for Terran. So lemme guess you don't want to play against the following "cheese" builds? -Reapers -Banshees -Hellions -Thor Drops But you would like to play against M&M to learn the counter, despite it being an inferior Terran build to begin with? I guess Terran should just make marauders, and marines if the opponent makes any air units. Anything else is just silly nonsense that isn't worth practicing against. | ||
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Thamoo
Canada234 Posts
On May 05 2010 22:09 goszar wrote: I don't mind you playing whatever start you choose, but just don't want to waste time practicing how do defend another cheese. Rofl. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On May 04 2010 15:18 Vei wrote: 1320 Plat, I was rank8 in my division earlier today. It was on Kulas, it happened on Desert Oasis also but I didn't even have an OL by my hatch so the bunker was up without me even knowing so that's a clear mistake so I'm not tripping too much about that game... The game on Kulas I killed his first SCV with the bunker at like 85% done, then he got a second one eventually after his first reaper killed my drone+queen+maybeling army (I sent 2-3 drones, cant remember exactly) and that SCV finished the bunker and he hopped in and killed my Hatchery after a bit x_X It was prob gg from there on out because I had a ton of minerals, low gas, no tech. How did you lose a queen to a reaper before the bunker finished? | ||
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CryGirl1921
Poland78 Posts
go pool>hatch and produce lings eot | ||
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goszar
Belarus119 Posts
On May 05 2010 22:38 Amber[LighT] wrote: what? read what you said again and see if that makes any sense. You won't be playing this game very long with that attitude.. Reaper harass is one of the backbone strategies for Terran. So lemme guess you don't want to play against the following "cheese" builds? -Reapers -Banshees -Hellions -Thor Drops But you would like to play against M&M to learn the counter, despite it being an inferior Terran build to begin with? I guess Terran should just make marauders, and marines if the opponent makes any air units. Anything else is just silly nonsense that isn't worth practicing against. Right now I'm low Plat player (~1150) and I have huge problems with macro, expanding and preventing expansions, army composition, multitasking. I haven't figured out good build yet as well. I say "bg" to identify that particular game was not helpful for me, I did not practice any of those components but wasted time instead. It is a game that depended on a single mistake made/not made. Reapers, Banshees, Hellions, Thor Drop are all valid starts. Outcome of the game is decided on micro, transitioning, army composition, finesse of the builds, strategic decisions of the players. But 8 Rax Reaper into Bunker rush is not. Outcome of a game involving such strategy relies on single RockPaperScissors BO mistake, or single scouting mistake, or single micro mistake. I repeat that I have nothing agains cheese starts. In fact I did marine-scv allin 20 times (going 18-2) to prove that it was OP in the past. I'm not willing to try Reaper Bunker only because it does not work vs terran and I would need to leave in 30% of my games. | ||
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Snowfield
1289 Posts
I say "bg" to identify that particular game was not helpful for me I'm sure your "enemy" will realize this for your next game and do something to help you. | ||
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goszar
Belarus119 Posts
On May 06 2010 21:43 Snowfield wrote: I'm sure your "enemy" will realize this for your next game and do something to help you. You will be surprised, but it is true. I often get paired against same opponents and they don't cheese in next games and we have conversations about strategy sometimes. | ||
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cartoon]x
United States606 Posts
Reapers are especially strong on kulas. You could also try doing some kind of roach aggression. Roach aggression would be strong against a reaper opening. Cancel hatch, do a roach build, break down his rocks.. add in a few ling, so you have a mix. That may be a good retaliation. Most Ts will try to expand while going reaper | ||
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Deathfate
Spain555 Posts
If you want to go hatch first you should delay his barrax time, this is posible in 2 player maps sending out 2 drones. Always use a drone to scout possible bunker at your expo, if he completes the bunker your expo is going to fall 90% of the times. Once you have 2 queens and some lings he cant do anything with them. | ||
CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
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LuDwig-
Italy1143 Posts
On May 04 2010 15:19 Slow Motion wrote: Dude was it on Kulas Ravine and the Terran kept jumping his Reaper up and down the cliff? If so that was me lol. The guy I played typed "bg" at the end, and then said, "actually that was a terrible game" and then rage quit. Edit: ahhh nvm I didn't build a bunker. Slow motion i know this is a bad day for you but... no.. you are not the only terran that use to rush with reaper:| Bad news i know | ||
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