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ryanAnger
United States838 Posts
This was a game I played against another TL.net member, while I still ended up losing, it's mostly due to a lack of aggression, poor army composition, and lack of decent macro (and all of this is besides the point, although if anyone would like to comment on how I might improve, feel free to do so.) Anyway, let me know what you guys think, and if you have any cool Fungal Growth replays, I'd like to see them. http://www.mediafire.com/?io2fmy2mnmd | ||
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cartoon]x
United States606 Posts
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The6357
United States1268 Posts
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norwegianwood
United States2 Posts
http://www.youtube.com/user/HuskyStarcraft#p/u/1/QGINjKNNbDU | ||
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roemy
Germany432 Posts
On May 09 2010 03:07 The6357 wrote: what does fungal growth do ? it "ensnares" units in a 2.00-radius-area, dealing 16x2.25 damage over 8 seconds to each of them | ||
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789
United States959 Posts
On May 09 2010 03:25 roemy wrote: it "ensnares" units in a 2.00-radius-area, dealing 16x2.25 damage over 8 seconds to each of them Just want to say it doesn't work like sc1 ensnare to alleviate any confusion. It immobilizes them, but they can still attack normally. Edit: and yeah, the 36 damage over 8 seconds. | ||
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Opti
United States155 Posts
Now basically, i did not understand the proper response to infestors which would be mass HT (i think?) and feedback/storm usage. He had a massive army of hydra/infestors, nothing else. Basically any expensive unit i brought out (void rays, immortals, colossi etc) he would just take control of, so in response all i could really do was spam zealots, but zealots just got fungal growthed in place (literally could not move them at all) and brought down to sub 40 hp, when i eventually was able to retreat. The point is, this bsaically 100% nullifies any kind of push that a protoss would want to do with gateway units, im thinking the only solution would be a MASSIVE amount of HT, the only problem being that they would jsut get fungal growthed and controlled as well before they could feedback/storm. Thoughts? Solutions? Right now i feel as if infestors + basically anything is an almost instant win for zerg, regardless of how badly i punish them early on, and spinecrawlers are so good that it is near impossible to do a push early on. | ||
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Atnas
Sweden38 Posts
 I think your game wasn't nearly as simple as you make it out to be. | ||
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ghosthunter
United States414 Posts
On May 09 2010 03:56 Opti wrote: Um.. So basically i just went against a zerg who went very fast expand, and i killed his expansion easily with a zealot rush, was unable to take his base down due to spinecrawlers (they honestly need an HP nerf, so ungodly strong when zealots die almost instantly to as few as 3-4 of them), so i massed up a gate army with void rays (he has been ling spamming) only to find when i arrived at his base.. infestors. Now basically, i did not understand the proper response to infestors which would be mass HT (i think?) and feedback/storm usage. He had a massive army of hydra/infestors, nothing else. Basically any expensive unit i brought out (void rays, immortals, colossi etc) he would just take control of, so in response all i could really do was spam zealots, but zealots just got fungal growthed in place (literally could not move them at all) and brought down to sub 40 hp, when i eventually was able to retreat. The point is, this bsaically 100% nullifies any kind of push that a protoss would want to do with gateway units, im thinking the only solution would be a MASSIVE amount of HT, the only problem being that they would jsut get fungal growthed and controlled as well before they could feedback/storm. Thoughts? Solutions? Right now i feel as if infestors + basically anything is an almost instant win for zerg, regardless of how badly i punish them early on, and spinecrawlers are so good that it is near impossible to do a push early on. Stalkers with blink destroy infestors because while you maintain fungal growth through the blink, you can still blink and shoot it dead. Plus they're pretty cheap to mass (same as zealots with a bit of gas, basically). | ||
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nybbas
United States71 Posts
 Micro fail tbh, but still if his infestors are in range to mind control the colossus, I think your stalkers should be able to focus fire them.(but maybe if they fungal growth your army before trying to steal your colossus, you would be fucked anyways?) I dont know... i suck. | ||
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nybbas
United States71 Posts
On May 09 2010 03:56 Opti wrote: Um.. So basically i just went against a zerg who went very fast expand, and i killed his expansion easily with a zealot rush, was unable to take his base down due to spinecrawlers (they honestly need an HP nerf, so ungodly strong when zealots die almost instantly to as few as 3-4 of them), so i massed up a gate army with void rays (he has been ling spamming) only to find when i arrived at his base.. infestors. well, spines cost about 150 each, plus the larva.... I would hope 4 of them could kill a zealot pretty fast... | ||
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Curio
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BulletShot
United States17 Posts
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Piousflea
United States259 Posts
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vibemytribe
Israel29 Posts
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Opti
United States155 Posts
Basically i think the only army comp that would counter this is zealots + colossi + HT. Feedback infestors, storm hydras, while pushing with a zealot wall (that will probably get fungal growthed and be useless, but they are at least there to take the hits). | ||
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nybbas
United States71 Posts
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Spaztick
United States25 Posts
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Chex
United States87 Posts
Honestly the best counter is good micro. If you get neural parasited, just ff down the infestor and if you have stalkers, as a previous poster suggested, gg infestor because blink owns them. Honestly I don't know why the hell you would go for mass zealots. If they have basically anything but zerglings your zealots are doubly screwed. Roaches own zealots hard. Infestors have so little life its not even funny. | ||
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nybbas
United States71 Posts
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codewarrior
United States52 Posts
On May 09 2010 04:56 BulletShot wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I had a game yesterday where in the zvz match up we pretty much both went hydra roach (lower platinum), however I made zerglings and he made infestors and during the battle his fungal growth got my army pretty good. Maybe I should have used my zerglings to attack from behind who knows, but I never really considered using fungal growth in zvz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDAU7sdY5aA How did you get those two spine crawlers rooted at your expansion without any creep? It didn't look like it was destroyed earlier and rebuilt. EDIT: never mind, i saw the leftover patches of creep from when it was destroyed | ||
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Lobo2me
Norway1213 Posts
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KaRnaGe[cF]
United States355 Posts
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doomcraft
United States2 Posts
Gas permitting, is there really any strategy (obviously there are a few, but in standard play) where you would NOT want to incorporate infestors if its that far into the match? To clarify, I mean aren't the pretty much always worth it, despite the high gas cost+being absurdly fragile, or are there situations where you should skip them? Although NP has to be researched now, seems totally worth it to have a unit that can counter expensive powerful units and immobilize/damage groups of weaker units or air. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On May 09 2010 04:56 BulletShot wrote: I had a game yesterday where in the zvz match up we pretty much both went hydra roach (lower platinum), however I made zerglings and he made infestors and during the battle his fungal growth got my army pretty good. Maybe I should have used my zerglings to attack from behind who knows, but I never really considered using fungal growth in zvz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDAU7sdY5aA wow, fungal is imperitive in zvz. I've been using it since like patch 2 in every zvz that gets to teir 2/2.5 | ||
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BigDatez
Canada434 Posts
On May 09 2010 04:56 BulletShot wrote: I had a game yesterday where in the zvz match up we pretty much both went hydra roach (lower platinum), however I made zerglings and he made infestors and during the battle his fungal growth got my army pretty good. Maybe I should have used my zerglings to attack from behind who knows, but I never really considered using fungal growth in zvz His army was also like 2 X the size of yours, but yes fungal growth rocks. The best is when you fungal mutas, run back with your hydras, and outrange! Gas permitting, is there really any strategy (obviously there are a few, but in standard play) where you would NOT want to incorporate infestors if its that far into the match? To clarify, I mean aren't the pretty much always worth it, despite the high gas cost+being absurdly fragile, or are there situations where you should skip them? Although NP has to be researched now, seems totally worth it to have a unit that can counter expensive powerful units and immobilize/damage groups of weaker units or air. against terran mech with any tanks, you do not want any infestors. You wont be able to mind control tanks OR thors, because of the tanks' insane range | ||
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SichuanPanda
Canada1542 Posts
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Daliniues
Canada117 Posts
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Chex
United States87 Posts
Now the obvious problem is actually getting close enough to FG but with a good overlord placement you should see when they start moving. Combined with effective base harassment (nydus and drops with banelings come to mind) it seems possible to terrorize the T player while teching to brood lords. Haven't tried it and I can definitely forsee problems but just a thought on using FG. | ||
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StayFrosty
Canada743 Posts
On May 09 2010 03:56 Opti wrote: Um.. So basically i just went against a zerg who went very fast expand, and i killed his expansion easily with a zealot rush, was unable to take his base down due to spinecrawlers (they honestly need an HP nerf, so ungodly strong when zealots die almost instantly to as few as 3-4 of them), so i massed up a gate army with void rays (he has been ling spamming) only to find when i arrived at his base.. infestors. Now basically, i did not understand the proper response to infestors which would be mass HT (i think?) and feedback/storm usage. He had a massive army of hydra/infestors, nothing else. Basically any expensive unit i brought out (void rays, immortals, colossi etc) he would just take control of, so in response all i could really do was spam zealots, but zealots just got fungal growthed in place (literally could not move them at all) and brought down to sub 40 hp, when i eventually was able to retreat. The point is, this bsaically 100% nullifies any kind of push that a protoss would want to do with gateway units, im thinking the only solution would be a MASSIVE amount of HT, the only problem being that they would jsut get fungal growthed and controlled as well before they could feedback/storm. Thoughts? Solutions? Right now i feel as if infestors + basically anything is an almost instant win for zerg, regardless of how badly i punish them early on, and spinecrawlers are so good that it is near impossible to do a push early on. Chargelots. | ||
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vlaric
United States412 Posts
Against MMM bioballs, it can be imperative for setting up a good flank/surround and keeping that ball in place (if you have more than one fungal). | ||
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johnouyoung
United States28 Posts
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RMmanlots
United States95 Posts
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On July 08 2010 17:25 johnouyoung wrote: Does fungal growth work on mutalisks? On April 28 2010 17:48 cartoon]x wrote: I just saw artosis fungal growth a ton of mutas. I didn't know you could do that, but yeah you can. Located right under the OP | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
This means: 1. As a Terran player, it is advisable to always select your SCVs and turn on auto-repair (alt+R, or right-click on the Repair button). Even while they are mining. In case of harass, they have better chance of surviving. 2. As a Zerg player vs Terran, you have to be aware of how unproductive Fungal Growth could be on a fully saturated mineral line with auto-repairing SCVs. If their density is high, it's likely that most of them will end up repairing each other during the effect of the spell - so, your usual calculation of how much time you need to wait before the second FG (normally just 2 seconds) may be too optimistic. I haven't run the test with the new patch, but I think a tandem of near-standing SCVs, repairing each other, would need 3 full waves of Fungal Growth, instead of 2 closely overlapping ones. On July 08 2010 17:25 johnouyoung wrote: Yes, it works on flying units too. I was experimenting with mass carriers, and thought FG could be used very efficiently vs the bulk of interceptors, in combination with other attackers taking down the carriers.Does fungal growth work on mutalisks? | ||
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SkyTheUnknown
Germany2065 Posts
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goswser
United States3548 Posts
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fdsdfg
United States1251 Posts
It also works great if you ever face muta harrasment, as they try to fly out you just tag a few of them and you can kill quite a few before they are allowed to move. | ||
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Brazen[six]
Canada203 Posts
On July 16 2010 01:47 SkyTheUnknown wrote: just had a ZvZ and repeatedly tried to do fungal growth on my opponents mutas. it didn't work - or at least there was no fungal animation. so what am i doing wrong there? I just played a game last night where i can say with confidence that FG does indeed work against mutas. It's pretty depressing when your blob gets caught and a few hydras take them out, heh. Just have to maintain better control. Either way, yet it works against mutas... but i find it's hard to land if they have good control and are constantly moving. It's easy to miss with a fly by. | ||
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SkyTheUnknown
Germany2065 Posts
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NukeTheBunnys
United States1004 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=136470 | ||
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SkyTheUnknown
Germany2065 Posts
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fdsdfg
United States1251 Posts
In Options -> Gameplay, turn 'Show Flyer Helper' to "Always". Then you get this under all flying units: ![[image loading]](http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/4307/flyerhelper.jpg) Aim for the spots on the ground and you are fine | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On July 09 2010 00:23 RMmanlots wrote: Infesters are pretty weak vs. late game protoss. Colossi have the same range as neural parasite, they get owned by blink stalkers, and they are easily stormed/fedback by HTs. Unless the toss is an idiot and makes nothing but zealots, you should be fine. I just started to use FG recently, and today I tried it against a pretty threatening protoss ground army. FG is pretty useless against the entire protoss ground army I've found; it really only diminishes their shields and at a much slower rate than any combat unit. zealots get stuck yes, but they can still attack, so its only viable with a hydra/roach army. They will still have full HP after the FG is finished. Its useless against stalkers, archons, sentries because they are ranged and will keep on attacking anyways. And since it doesn't stack, you'll have to wait to recast, but then the battle will long over by then. And in this case, the game. So infestor 12s NP and useless FG and infest marine ... what use is this unit in ZvP really? | ||
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baconbits
United States419 Posts
On July 20 2010 06:09 a176 wrote: I just started to use FG recently, and today I tried it against a pretty threatening protoss ground army. FG is pretty useless against the entire protoss ground army I've found; it really only diminishes their shields and at a much slower rate than any combat unit. zealots get stuck yes, but they can still attack, so its only viable with a hydra/roach army. They will still have full HP after the FG is finished. Its useless against stalkers, archons, sentries because they are ranged and will keep on attacking anyways. And since it doesn't stack, you'll have to wait to recast, but then the battle will long over by then. And in this case, the game. So infestor 12s NP and useless FG and infest marine ... what use is this unit in ZvP really? DT's zealots eco harass (FGing probes is pretty awesome) stopping microed phoenix harass | ||
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fdsdfg
United States1251 Posts
On July 20 2010 06:15 baconbits wrote: DT's zealots eco harass (FGing probes is pretty awesome) stopping microed phoenix harass Yeah I've used it along with Hydras to pick off any harrasment / unwelcome units (phoenix group, void rays, warp prism, even an observer you don't like). Also if they engage, see too many spine crawlers and start to retreat, fungal is great to tag on a group of fleeing units to pick them off. Also colossi in large battles will always want to walk backwards and get better positioning - take away this option with fungal. | ||
Crushgroove
United States793 Posts
Forces their hand and buys you time to get obs. Pretty crazy. | ||
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fdsdfg
United States1251 Posts
On July 20 2010 06:35 Crushgroove wrote: FG is a great solution to burrowed roach ZvZ as well... if they attack then burrow to regen/flank/whatever, FG makes them visable, they can't unburrow, they take dmg and other units can attack them. They can unburrow while FG'd. The rest is fine, but this point is off. | ||
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Jadix
United States134 Posts
On May 09 2010 04:55 Curio wrote: it also reveals invis, ala ensnare. ie. totally owns bancheese. ooooooohhhh | ||
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Izzachar
Sweden285 Posts
On July 16 2010 07:26 fdsdfg wrote: I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Flyer Helper.. In Options -> Gameplay, turn 'Show Flyer Helper' to "Always". Then you get this under all flying units: Aim for the spots on the ground and you are fine If there was rep on this forum you would have been given it!!!! Sometimes I have missed fungal on a terran incoming doom drop over a crevice that would mean insta win for me and actually lost cause of this. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On July 20 2010 06:15 baconbits wrote: DT's zealots eco harass (FGing probes is pretty awesome) stopping microed phoenix harass im not sure i see the value in using infestor for defensive purposes. i know you can use it against those units, but is that really the best option? spore crawlers will do much more damage to phoenix, not to mention keeping them away completely, and they'll detect DTs for spine crawlers to attack if you're not using overseers. FG will do alot of damage to probes but it wont kill them? you'll still need to fly in mutas or whatever to finish them, and even then, mutalisks kill them fast enough already? | ||
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shutdown_exploded
United States133 Posts
the range on ultralisks is longer than the range on zealots, so if you go ling/infestor into ultras and you run into a big zealot force that shreds your lings you get alot of free kills. | ||
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OneManZerg
United States11 Posts
Storm = 20dps Fungal Growth = 4.5 dps Here's a video that's an example of that usage. Letting Fungal Growth Set in It's like a new look force field at times too. =) | ||
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