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Published:
NA EU KR SEA
Version 0.3
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Map Info:
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Playable Bounds: 172x172
Bases:
12x(8m2g)
2x(6g1hyg)
2x(6g1hyg+1hyg) (dual expos)
XNT: 0
Placed Object: 1100 Doodads, 4 spawns, 161 Units
Distances:
11 Main <-- 69s --> 5 Main
11 Nat <-- 46s --> 5 Nat
7 Main <-- 57s --> 1 Main
7 Nat <-- 39s --> 1 Nat
Cross-spawn only
Analyzer:
+ Show Spoiler +11/5 Spawns: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hcnNjUl.png) 7\1 Spawns: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/M5E8F9m.png)
Concept:
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Primarily just wanted to have some fun with TLMC and Map-Ximum. In its conception this map is very unsophisticated: I basically just took a bunch of shit that I liked and tried to squeeze them all into one map:
Two-in-One maps
King Sejong Station main/natural layout
Double gold bases
Backdoor expansions + entrances
Mereel and Semmo's Broodwar influence
Fuck-you-bright colours
Spawns are cross only. The overview makes it look like there's a ton of airspace (and their is) but it has been zoom corrected by 15 I think. It's actually kinda small for a 172x172 Playable. It's also purely accidental that both my latest maps make references to twins in their titles. I tried to avoid it. The heading sez v0.2 but it's basically done but for feedback. That's it I guess. Please let me know what you think.
Bases -- 11/5 Spawns:
+ Show Spoiler +Main: (backdoor rock visible in top right) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/HUr2voi.jpg) Natural: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/LQXfeVf.jpg) Third: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/IEUErEW.jpg)
Bases -- 7\1 Spawns:
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Golds:
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Aesthetics: (if this isn't image-heavy yet)
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Change Log:
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v0.3
-- Put a leash on the lighting, subsequently tweaked fog and water
-- Changed high yield gasses to sets of normal gasses
-- Tweaked terrain around the 7\1 spawns to make it slightly worse for blink stalkers. Still looking at this.
-- Changed the cliff and texturing around the 7\1 naturals to better reflect the terrain
-- Some clean-up on some sloppy texturing
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Oh man, the lighting. Not really pleasant for my eyes.
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I love this map! The lighting adds so much character to it, lending it a cartoony style I have never seen before in SC2 and the way you have combined tile sets is really cool. I don't know about the balance of the map gameplay wise (I am not very skilled at balancing a map), but I think that the idea is very unique.
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Ok, i finally got a TL account just because i wanted to comment on how almost all of the last few season`s maps are dark, unsettling hellholes. No one likes to spend time in a cold and dark environment and whle i get the argument that dark colors are good for the eyes i absolutely think that we need more bright maps that aren`t made with the generic Protoss style like Overgrowth.
TL:DR yey for bright maps, such beauty
edit: deleted some stupidity
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I actually fucking love that map. So different, so unique. Great job.
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woah, feels like a Mario game
I like it
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that sand to orange dirt transition is gorgeous
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Oh man, you can protect the forward gold with tanks at the natural cliff. That is just disgustingly cool. I want to see some games on this map.
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looks amazing but at the same time I can't look it for longer than 5 seconds without my eyes hurting, not even joking.
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On February 10 2015 23:35 Meavis wrote:
looks amazing but at the same time I can't look it for longer than 5 seconds without my eyes hurting, not even joking.
In-game on Low settings it isn't hard on the eyes at all tbh. Clear but not aggressive colors.
edit : on higher settings the lightning makes it a bit harsh though.
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I love the title set and the textures, but I think the lighting is a little too bright. It doesn't have to be dark, it just has to be a little less bright.
You put a lot of different ideas into the layout, which is really cool. I think the middle should be a little more open, and the top left and bottom right mains need more space behind the mineral line since there's dead space in that corner where air units could harass.
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Thanks for the feedback guys, much appreciated. I've been having this problem with my work monitor where I love bright colours and it's kinda desaturated. I'm going to go double check them at home and tweak accordingly a bit later. I expected people to complain about it but certainly a map that goes out hurting people's eyes has gotta be put on some kind of leash.
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idk what it is with people doing this stupid Nintendo looking terraining to fill in unpathable space. It's a lazy solution.
I like it here, it actually feels like something straight outta a Nintendo game. It's done right here, now everyone can stop doing it.
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On February 10 2015 19:00 NobleNyne wrote:
Ok, i finally got a TL account just because i wanted to comment on how almost all of the last few season`s maps are dark, unsettling hellholes. No one likes to spend time in a cold and dark environment and whle i get the argument that dark colors are good for the eyes i absolutely think that we need more bright maps that aren`t made with the generic Protoss style like Overgrowth.
TL:DR yey for bright maps, such beauty
edit: deleted some stupidity
Cold, dark, unsettling hellholes are pretty much the atmosphere du jour for the Starcraft universe, idk why this comes as a shock to people.
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Okay, rebalanced the lighting. It's very colourful, but the brightness has been toned down quite a bit and the colour's shifted a tad to compensate.
Comparison (top old, bottom new):
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What do you guys think, better?
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Actually I like the old one better d: It seems less hazy and more defined.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Seeing as you're submitting this to TLMC I'll drop a few lines here. While this map is really pretty with a unique aesthetic concept, you should think about how likely this map will do well in the contest. For starters, you're using high yield geysers at gold bases, that's a no-no in our rule set. Your N2N distance between 7 and 1 is less than 40s, we'd really like that above 40s as shorter rush distances are known to cause problems. Also in the 7-1 positions, it looks like Blink would be really powerful (coming from behind the rocks on the natural ramp) which could cause problems. Some of those mineral lines look a little bit suspect for cannon rushes, but I don't have the map file to check 
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The lighting is better now.
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OtherWorld: Agreed; I tweaked it again. Still not 100% final, there are some fog settings to be meddled with but:
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Plexa: Aw but so 'no-no' as in auto-DQ or 'no-no' as in typing 'pppp' but you can still win the game? Cuz for two of those bases I'm not crazy about the double gasses and ideally they should all be the same. I'll see what I can do. As for the rush distance -- yeah that's freaking short, but I couldn't find an elegant solution to it and avoided designing delays into the map, which just the idea skeeves me out. As for the blink -- valid that you bring that up too. I was worried about it, especially cuz the area lends itself to hidden pylons, and so made the terrain around that nat and main wall a little more irregular, so it would be tough to blink huge groups of stalkers at once and reliably get them all in/out. That coupled with the short rush distances facilitating those marine and zergling backstabs vs what would be a critically mispositioned Protoss army I guess made me figure it would be okay. I'll see what I can do about it for sure though.
Honestly I never do well in these competitions and so I don't particularly expect to do so here. This time I just wanted to have fun with making a map. That said, thanks a ton for your post. I really appreciate the heads up.
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Very pretty.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Re: Golds. Seeing as I don't see an obvious way to fix the geysers it would be a DQ because we'd never be able to put it on ladder in it's current state.
Re: other stuff. That's all stuff im sure TL strat would home in on as problems with the map so its worth thinking about ways to fix those not DQ, but pppp and still win the game.
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Can't you just put a single geyser in line with the minerals? Opposite of the rock tower, where there's currently air space.
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Love the aesthetics.
Is that decent-sized terrain behind the 7-1 naturals pathable? I could see a potential issue with large drops if so.
If you can't fix the rush distances, then it might be worth it to make those bases lategame expansions and design them around being such.
Adding rocks somewhere in the rush path might be a big help if you want to retain the spawn points.
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I spy some texture-bucketing going on. I thought that was Blizzard's thing.
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Plexa: Challange accepted! Thank you for clarifying, I read those suggestions in the competition thread as things Blizzard might want observed but not necessarily TLMC. But surely TLMC would want as many winning maps that also follow those suggestions and are eligible for ladder as possible. So I've gone ahead and reworked those golds and messed around with the blink stalker issue (still looking at it though). The rush distances I'd love to solve but there aren't any solutions that I like. I've tried rocks everywhere but that middle loses something when you add rocks and rocks on the natural ramp might make 2rax vs zerg too powerful. Actually any suggestions would be welcome. But I'll spend some more time tonight to see if I can find a solution.
NinjaDuckBob: I'm tempted to try my luck having my cake and eating it too. It's almost like I'd rather have the rush distance a bit too short than a bit too long, like I like that flavour to a map. We'll see. Glad you like the look.
NewSunshine: You're referring to the way it screws up texturing on the cliffs? I used that tool for the first time ever and now I'm going around trying to paint out all those areas. Won't be doing that again. Good eye if that's what you saw.
Okay, changed the lighting and made a bunch of tweaks mostly revolving around the fact that the golds no longer have high yield gasses but double standard gasses instead. Will look into blink and rush distances a little later and see if I can come up with something cool. Thanks for the tons of feedback everyone.
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