I was really skeptical about this map getting the place it got on TLMC, but it turns out I was dead wrong, really nice job. This map shows that gold bases give a really interesting dynamic, as well as really hard chokes like the one at the end, I as well would love to see this on the ladder.

iHirO

United Kingdom1381 Posts

November 23 2013 22:24 GMT

#46

Hoping that another Tournament picks up this map!

SidianTheBard

United States2474 Posts

November 23 2013 23:00 GMT

#47

To have such an epic game play out on Habitation Station makes me ecstatic. Appreciate all the kind words guys and I hope it continues to produce amazing games.

Also, any feedback / concerns that you've noticed, feel free to share them with me here or in a PM.

Thanks!

Weavel

Finland9221 Posts

November 23 2013 23:16 GMT

#48

I'm already really enjoying this map in Red bull tournament. I wish Blizzard would put this map in ladder to replace starstation.

eTcetRa

Australia822 Posts

November 24 2013 06:41 GMT

#49

Glad the map that got my vote got such an amazing game played on it!

peanuts

United States1225 Posts

November 24 2013 08:43 GMT

#50

Literally only wonderful games being played on this map. The amount of attacks and counterattacks are insane. The multiple lanes for army movement are excellent. Hope to see you make more maps in the future and hopefully Blizz will look at putting this on ladder!

neobowman

Canada3324 Posts

November 24 2013 10:08 GMT

#51

Great games on this map. However, I do feel the gold bases favour Terran quite a bit. Just look at the bomber games. Even vs. Scarlet, he almost had it after a failed double proxy rax and it was only Scarlett brilliance that saved her the game.

moskonia

Israel1448 Posts

November 24 2013 12:03 GMT

#52

neobowman, while the gold did help Bomber, it still was easy to harass, and both sides did so against the opponent's gold, since before Bomber got his gold, Scarlett has already nearly depleted hers. I find the gold a point of interest, something that forces conflict, which is good.

Also to further discuss the game, the reason Bomber managed to get back to the game was Scarlett late expansions compared to the fast in-base 3rd Bomber took.

Archvil3

Denmark989 Posts

November 24 2013 12:41 GMT

#53

In all the games I watched last night on Habitation Station (group A games, slept durring group B) I dont recall the gold bases having any influence on balance. In the game between Scarlett and Bomber specificaly the gold bases had zero influence on Bombers comeback.

That being said I do think the gold base could be terran favored if you look at it isolated from the rest of the map. However if you look at the map in an entirety and specificaly at the TvZ matchup Zerg have several things in their favor. Most notably it is an excellent muta-map. Roaming the north of the map with mutas allows you to horass both main and gold while defending own gold, shut down drops and quickly reinforce your ground army in a direct engagement. Its give and take and I dont see any race come out too far ahead.

Overall I do not see any glaring balanceissues and the map should longterm fit within 45/55% winrate in all matchups.

And while I do think there is some iffy things with the execution(why the edgy cliffs when they serve no purpose to the layout and looks silly with the starship cliffs?) I find the map to be brilliant, playing much better then I anticipated by looking at the layout. It has a near perfect balance between agression and macro, incentive to move out, to control the map and take up position.

ETisME

12471 Posts

November 24 2013 14:24 GMT

#54

I don't want to comment on the balance but the map looks damn good, one of the most amazing looking map out there.

Qwyn

United States2779 Posts

November 24 2013 21:00 GMT

#55

On November 24 2013 23:24 ETisME wrote:
I don't want to comment on the balance but the map looks damn good, one of the most amazing looking map out there.

You mean like easy cannon rush spots?

Ketch

Netherlands7285 Posts

November 24 2013 21:28 GMT

#56

Love the map!

FeyFey

Germany10114 Posts

November 24 2013 21:46 GMT

#57

On November 24 2013 21:41 Archvil3 wrote:
In all the games I watched last night on Habitation Station (group A games, slept durring group B) I dont recall the gold bases having any influence on balance. In the game between Scarlett and Bomber specificaly the gold bases had zero influence on Bombers comeback.

Golds are actually not as good as Blue ones for Terran in the 4M style atleast later taken ones, while Zerg benefits alot from it. The style is based around flying a base over and mule it to death for a fake 2 base eco. The Gold works like a Blue one in that case and just mines out faster.
While Zerg has the possibility to take the Gold in the midgame usually and then the workers there will allow to get out more mineral only tanks. And the fast mineout is no issue since Zerg has to drop bases anyway when 3/3 hits.

Tank leapfrogging on the other hand looks terrifying there.

Either way I don't think I saw better implemented Golds and they shake up the Meta pretty nicely, so I want this map on Ladder for a season .

moskonia

Israel1448 Posts

November 24 2013 22:06 GMT

#58

On November 25 2013 06:00 Qwyn wrote:

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You mean like easy cannon rush spots?

There are cannon rush spots on every map, as smart player will know them and will prevent them from working, this map doesn't have stronger than normal cannon rush.

@FeyFey, I agree, especially the gold part, it is really well done.

SidianTheBard

United States2474 Posts

November 25 2013 02:35 GMT

#59

Ended up adding the 5 replays played during Red Bull into the OP as well as a link to the youtube video of Bomber vs Scarlett.

Also, absolutely loved the strategy sOs did during his games vs Scarlett.