Work In Progress Melee Maps - Page 213

On January 06 2019 06:13 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
You have to link to the image, not the album. Like so:
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As for the map, backdoor naturals aren't a particularly loved map feature, especially when there's so much available airspace for drops and harassment (which can cause balance problems too). Drops and liberators are made that much stronger by the fact that the map is quite choked up--apart from the narrow passages on the top and bottom of the map, there's only the middle choke that has to be controlled to prevent ground units from crossing over to the other side of the map. And could you post a 90 degree overview of the map? Angled images sometimes make it hard to figure out proportions.

On January 13 2019 01:23 Achamian wrote:
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Need some feedback again, anything game breaking or annoying play potential for players?
Also I am struggling to find the proper textures to use, I want a really lush-overgrown-rugged mountain jungle look. Can someone link me to another map that pulls off something similar?

On January 13 2019 10:50 Achamian wrote:
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Thank you for the feedback, it helps a bunch, I was just about to go to town on texturing / doodads.

* Too much airspace around the edge of the map--the defensive watchtower in the main against drops is fine I guess, but the fact that your map needs it is a bit of an orange flag.
There will be a large amount of airblockers to protect the main base, but noted.

* The ramp to the natural is too far forward--it should be closer to the natural town hall for defensive reasons
I will try and make this closer.

* The destructible gate thing clashes with the texture set. Just regular destructible rocks would be better there.
Good call, it was just a remnant from the 40 prototype versions that got to this current one.

* The high ground overlooking the base across from the main is problematic. If it's droppable it's a big balance problem and makes that base essentially unholdable in some match-ups. If it's not droppable it still makes liberators better and is somewhat of a problem. I'm not sure what the benefits of having it there are.
This was the last section I made... I will make a canyon instead, but its probably the weakest section of the map despite the LoS blockers angle.

* The double ramp to the 11/5 o'clock base takes a lot of space and I'm not sure what the benefits of it are.
Having a double ramp (it will be a curved staircase,) was something I wanted to do from the getgo, its something like an island base but still connected. Meaning if there is any defenses up there it will be really hard to ascend the curved staircase. The wasted space is not the best, but I still think its ok. Terran can float a main CC to that location and PF it very easy, which is something I think is cool.

I will take your feedback and alter the map before I post it as a new map, so thank you.

On January 13 2019 11:01 Achamian wrote:
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Its been years since ive made a map, are they not used anymore? I was sort of needing them for the map... Like the cornerstone of the map lol. Can I edit the yellow dotted line for playable zone?

On January 13 2019 11:09 ZigguratOfUr wrote:


They are still used occasionally. The current ladder map Stasis uses them pretty extensively. They're still buggy there, but sometimes the needs of the map outweight the downside of having to use them.

On August 31 2012 07:05 Samro225am wrote:
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Many mapthreads are the only public appearance of a map and almost as often maps are posted and severely changed afterwards. There is nothing wrong with that, but why not post the WIP maps in a WIP thread and give the map its own thread once you think it is really final?

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On February 07 2019 08:59 MarcusRife wrote:
Getting back into mapping after a long hiatus. I dusted off some old idea I had and have been trying to update it to more modern standards. The inspiration was to do an up to date competitive version of Scrap Station. I would appreciate some feedback.

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Well first of all I have some doubts that anyone could make a good up to date competitive version of Scrap Station--the close by air distances are just fundamentally problematic (using Renegade Missile Turrets, Air Blockers or Inhibitor Zones to solve this is perhaps possible, but they all bring their own problems). But let's put that aside.

The naturals have a few issues. The rush distances between them are too short I think (generally you want 30+ seconds from nat to nat), and the ramp to the natural is pretty far from the townhall which makes walling off difficult (especially for zerg). Also I think you can't do a standard 3 building + 1 unit gap wall-off on it. Even more importantly the natural has three different openings (including a high ground opening) which makes it basically impossible to defend in some match-ups. Beyond that it's hard to see what expansion pattern players can follow--getting a fourth is pretty awkward here. The base immediately between both mains can't be held by either player, and there isn't really much of a point in having three side by side golds.

On February 08 2019 01:45 MarcusRife wrote:


Thank you for the reply. Those are definitely concerns and they are things I have thought about. I would like to discuss it further if you don't mind and give you some more details to see if we can get to workable solutions. I am very much trying to push the envelope here. I agree lets set the short air rush distance aside for the moment.

The proportions of the map can be hard to read from the overview so so let me give you the numbers. Natural to Natutural (town hall to town hall) is 47 seconds. Top of ramp to top of ramp is 36 seconds. I understand that it is a little more open in the natural than is usual but this was on purpose to allow for easier defense in terms of not ending up in chokes yourself as a defender. How about this change where I move one of the extractors to the other side and push the natural up a bit?

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Here is a Protoss three building and one gap walloff. This is unaltered from the original version you saw.

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The feedback that getting a fourth is awkward is something to consider. I agree that the base between the mains as a fourth is tough. Perhaps a terran could do a mech build to hold the center, MAYBE. But it is meant as more of a late game base to take. So that leaves the two bases more toward the middle of the map. Now, I have another version that has a ramp leading down from the third into the immediate fourth with a rock wall-off but that adds yet more rocks and another entrance into the third/natural that is not a long way around. I mean a fourth is not free here and that is a bit intended. You have to fight for map control after three bases. This is to avoid turtle games as the nature of this map is prone to. Here is what I think is a reasonable way to achieve a fourth base. Bring your army a bit forward and defend these two attack paths.

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Additionally, there is the island base for an alternate strategy. This also brings us to the backdoors on the long way around the map which is also intended to avoid turtle games. It is quite a long way to get to those. If you bring your whole army you are going to be very out of position to defend your own bases and you will be prone to counterattacks. I envision small hit squads using those paths for attacking and I think it could be defendable. But, too many openings is a concern. The three gold bases at the end of the map is a new feature I added. Part of the challenge here is to incentive players to utilize the whole map since they both start concentrated on one side. The center gold base takes its cue from Scrap Station obviously. It is a full base in terms of total resources. It has the same total resources as a regular base. The other two only have total resources equal to a half base. In terms of total resources those bases only represent 2 bases. I believe that you should be richly rewarded for being able to hold that side of the map. Anyway, if you have further thoughts given this new information I would appreciate hearing them.

On February 23 2019 16:28 Invalid99 wrote:
Those thirds look far. Zerg needs to be able to connect to a third with 2 tumors. you could probably cut back the high ground extension and move the side ramp. It's hard to tell but the natural gases look like they might be siegable. plus the mains being at the center sides makes it pretty vulnerable to drops,
ranged libs could also be annoying at that natural. also with the base right against against the main because it's 2 levels down it might hide the minerals near the east spawn so be aware of that.
Another thing is that it's recommended that zerg should be able to wall the natural expansion.
edit. also that center looks super open and the ramps looks gigantic. cutting some stuff back might make it less choked in other areas.