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On May 09 2013 19:51 Xiphias wrote:
I like your snipe.

About air-mine. It might overlap with new viking, so I guess we'll have to think about having Ghost and / or viking to deal with mass muta...

Nice your snipe and anti air mine. But at the anti air mines, I think that is necessary to add a duration of 30-40 sec.
Remember that it is always energy, abuse a ghost could fill the entire map with these mines

On May 09 2013 21:52 Sumadin wrote:
I think the snipe is too nuke-ish through. Infact it is very much the same. We should consider just adjusting the nuke first. Maybe have a second class of tactical strike that Ghost could call down, i don't know.

That mine would a stupidly high AOE to really have an effect. If it is stealthed like a widow mine then it might work, but any decent player would still be able to largely dodge them with Air micro. I like Mag-mines better.

On May 09 2013 13:02 NewSunshine wrote:

*facepalm*

You know that with HotS global play was introduced, right?

On May 09 2013 16:51 Hider wrote:


But ghosts doesn't make tvz early game more actionpacked. Cheaper dropships can.

Anyway, this would be my suggestion for the ghost.

Give snipe a new name and make it capable of attacking nonbiological units as this will make it usefull vs reavers as well.

Ability 1
Energy ghost: 25.
Damage = 70 (roughly).
New snipe attack is a somewhat slow projectile, where you target a location instead of a unit. If the unit is inside a radius of 0.5 (something like that) of the targetted location after the projectile has landed, it will take damage. However, it can only damage 1 unit per projectile, so if there are multiple units inside the small radius, it will target the unit that is closest to the middle.
The projectile can be avoided with good reaction as long as the targetted unit is somewhat fast. However, a reaver can't escape it without the use of a warp prism.

This means that the snipe ability will be good in these scenarios:
1) Vs big armies (as you always will hit a unit. Maybe not the unit you intended to target, however then you will kill something else).
2) Vs slow immobile units (siege tank as exceptions I guess as snipe range is too low vs the 13 range of siege tanks).
3) You can manipulate your opponent into moving in a certain direction through a couple of "snipes". Some times this can be beneficial if you have units flanking him/spider mines or siege tanks in that location.
4) Your opponent has bad micro.

Ability 2:
Anti air mine. I guess it is somewhat similar to widow mine, however there are some big differences.
2) Its not moveable.
3) It has no primary target. It deals the same amount of damage to all units inside an area of X.
4) Larger activation range than widow mines and higher Aoe.
5) Roughly 40-50 damage.
6) Energy cost = 25

That means the ghost will have no lockdown and "normal" snipe. But I think these two abilities will make the ghost very valueable when going bio, but also usefull with mech. At the same time these two abilities will probably warrant a ghost price increase from 50/100 to 100/100 and a supply increase from 2 to 3.
The ability will obviously mostly be used vs mass mutalisks, but it could have other uses as well (to soften the HP of dropships, banshees, if the opponent has his carriers/guardians tightly packed etc.).

On May 10 2013 05:30 Xiphias wrote:
Is the defenders advantage too strong? I am thinking of doing 40% miss chance instead of 50% Any thoughts?

On May 10 2013 05:43 Chronopolis wrote:

Pretty sure 50% is too strong. Any attacking up wide ramps is inadvisable.

Maybe make it instacast (projectile is fired instantly, with a 1.5 - 2 second cooldown. It might give mm+ghost drops a bit more potential punch against an inattentive opponent.

About the mine ability, I'm most interested in it's ability to allow the terran to harrass even with protoss or zerg anti air out. Imagine 2 ghosts throwing up a wall of mines before getting in a dropship or fleeing. Imagine a few cloaked ghosts in the middle of the map laying air mines, making "safe" path for medivacs to go forward and back. The zerg can clear the mines out with overlords, or with single mutas. Maybe corrupters can out range the mine (6>5), so the zerg can sweep, but only at the speed of an overseer.