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You can basically calculate the number of squares with the worker time.
For the main to main time:
Start with your worker from the position of the main building, take the time it needs to get to where the other main building would be. Multiply the seconds with 3.75 and you'll have the approximate square number. So if your worker needs 42.7 seconds, the number is ~160.
For the nat to nat time:
Start with your worker from a mineral patch from about the middle of your natural mineral line. Take the time it needs to get to the other naturals mineral patch (same one obviously). Multiply the seconds with 3.85. Not gonna make another example^^
So this is not gonna get you exactly what you'd get from the analyzer, but it's pretty close and in the end you don't really need the exact number anyway. I made several tries and those numbers are as close as I could get to a good formula.
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someone tell the Guy who makes GSL maps to submit his maps, and we make a plan to get GSL maps to the ladder pool once and for all, GG :D
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On October 02 2011 08:59 DarkDolphin wrote:
someone tell the Guy who makes GSL maps to submit his maps, and we make a plan to get GSL maps to the ladder pool once and for all, GG :D
Can us small mappers have an actual chance?
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Updated the OP with details about measuring things
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I have one last question, can we retract a previously submitted map?
Say I posted a map on Monday but I've changed my mind about it and decided I want to make a new one.
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Last MotM had some wonderful feedback on the submissions from the judges. Is there any possibility us mappers might get something similar from the judges of this contest? I'm not a particularly experienced mapper and I got so much enjoyment out of learning where I made mistakes on my last map that I spent a whole week fired up and working pretty much fulltime on a map for this competition.
While basically all of the attention is going to be focused on the top 5 (and likely deservedly so), I'm confident it would hugely encourage the extra community who are partaking in this competition to remain active in the mapmaking field in future if all the serious entries which didn't make it could get, maybe not necessarily detailed feedback like before (I'm aware the number of entries is likely to be a lot higher than motm) but hopefully a few key notes on what worked and what didn't (maybe some kind of scoresheet? I don't know how you rate the maps). It would be amazing to see how far off you were from being part of the top 5, it would show all the entrants that TL really want to support new map making talent, that the contest isn't just for the benefit of the mapping teams, and by showing people where to best spend their effort on improving their next map it ensures that the competition can only get better and better.
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On October 03 2011 05:56 totalpigeon wrote:
Last MotM had some wonderful feedback on the submissions from the judges. Is there any possibility us mappers might get something similar from the judges of this contest? I'm not a particularly experienced mapper and I got so much enjoyment out of learning where I made mistakes on my last map that I spent a whole week fired up and working pretty much fulltime on a map for this competition.
While basically all of the attention is going to be focused on the top 5 (and likely deservedly so), I'm confident it would hugely encourage the extra community who are partaking in this competition to remain active in the mapmaking field in future if all the serious entries which didn't make it could get, maybe not necessarily detailed feedback like before (I'm aware the number of entries is likely to be a lot higher than motm) but hopefully a few key notes on what worked and what didn't (maybe some kind of scoresheet? I don't know how you rate the maps). It would be amazing to see how far off you were from being part of the top 5, it would show all the entrants that TL really want to support new map making talent, that the contest isn't just for the benefit of the mapping teams, and by showing people where to best spend their effort on improving their next map it ensures that the competition can only get better and better.
Quoting because it's a good idea.
And woahhhh, when did this get stickied?
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You can't expect them to do writeups on 100 maps or more. Especially since many of them will be made by rather new people who can still get a lot of good feedback by making a mapthread.
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On October 03 2011 06:04 TehTemplar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 05:56 totalpigeon wrote:
Last MotM had some wonderful feedback on the submissions from the judges. Is there any possibility us mappers might get something similar from the judges of this contest? I'm not a particularly experienced mapper and I got so much enjoyment out of learning where I made mistakes on my last map that I spent a whole week fired up and working pretty much fulltime on a map for this competition.
While basically all of the attention is going to be focused on the top 5 (and likely deservedly so), I'm confident it would hugely encourage the extra community who are partaking in this competition to remain active in the mapmaking field in future if all the serious entries which didn't make it could get, maybe not necessarily detailed feedback like before (I'm aware the number of entries is likely to be a lot higher than motm) but hopefully a few key notes on what worked and what didn't (maybe some kind of scoresheet? I don't know how you rate the maps). It would be amazing to see how far off you were from being part of the top 5, it would show all the entrants that TL really want to support new map making talent, that the contest isn't just for the benefit of the mapping teams, and by showing people where to best spend their effort on improving their next map it ensures that the competition can only get better and better. Quoting because it's a good idea. And woahhhh, when did this get stickied?
I agree with Flop that doing write-ups on potentially 100+ maps is almost impossible. Let alone 30 was hard for the MotM judges.
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I'm well aware of the fact that there are likely to be a huge number of entries, so I'm not expecting anything like the level of advice I got before (which I was really grateful for, believe me). But surely whatever method that is going to be used to judge these maps must be able to be translated into either brief feedback or gradings in various areas. I don't want to pry overly into the judging system, but it's difficult to believe the judges don't make at least a couple of notes as they look over a map which is a serious contender.
Say if the map is clearly made by someone who isn't aware of how to map in at least some major aspect? One of your newer mappers? If they aren't a serious competitor for this reason, it should be easy to tell them they'd benefit most from making a map thread. The TL community is always ready to jump in and help, and then the judge isn't spending their time explaining things the average mapper can handle. I'm sure a lot of the maps will be weeded out for simple reasons such as impossible thirds when spawning in ccw positions. No big writeup, but a big lesson which can be quickly conveyed. Then they'll be focusing on the serious competitors, who would most benefit from hearing the thoughts of the judges.
Though I'm not going to tell anyone how to run their own competition, I do feel like this could be something that would have great benefits to the community. Honestly, I got such a lot out of the feedback I got last month that I'd be be willing to help with it in any way possible. If one person gets as much out of it as I did it'd be worth my time.
And I know I'm sounding somewhat annoying here, so please don't take it the wrong way. I'll admit I'm being somewhat greedy and am mostly just eager to pick your brains. If it really is too much effort to do everything, I probably am just underestimating the level of work actually involved. I know you guys have lives too ^^ and I'm already grateful for the time you're putting in to advance the scene.
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Ok so I'll try to give you an impression of how approximately 50-70% of the maps are gonna be sorted out:
*open overview*
Nope
*open overview*
Nope
*open overview*
Nope
And not because of any deep strategical reasons, but just because the map doesn't look very nice on the first sight. I don't know how big of a role aesthetics will play in this, but why bother checking aesthetically poorly executed maps when there's 50 well executed ones?
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You wouldn't. Aesthetics is a fundamental part of map making. If someone isn't inclined to put in the time to make their map look nice, it obviously doesn't deserve to be carefully looked at. At the same time though, giving them feedback of "Your aesthetics aren't up to par" might actually be valuable to a few people, you never know. I actually spent ages on making my map look good, I'd be crushed if you hated it, lol, but at least I'd know it's an area I need to look at if I'm going to submit to a competition again.
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On October 03 2011 09:21 FlopTurnReaver wrote:
Ok so I'll try to give you an impression of how approximately 50-70% of the maps are gonna be sorted out:
*open overview*
Nope
*open overview*
Nope
*open overview*
Nope
And not because of any deep strategical reasons, but just because the map doesn't look very nice on the first sight. I don't know how big of a role aesthetics will play in this, but why bother checking aesthetically poorly executed maps when there's 50 well executed ones?
While that's a fair point, overviews can be (and often are) misleading. Some maps look awesome in the overview, and less so up close, but even more common is a overview that looks crap, but the map when viewed in-game, actually looks really nice - and this is really all that matters as this is the only way players will really ever see a map. Whether it's pretty or not in the overview is essentially irrelevant.
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On October 03 2011 05:30 Destructicon wrote:
I have one last question, can we retract a previously submitted map?
Say I posted a map on Monday but I've changed my mind about it and decided I want to make a new one. Yes, but you should be careful 
On October 03 2011 05:56 totalpigeon wrote:
Last MotM had some wonderful feedback on the submissions from the judges. Is there any possibility us mappers might get something similar from the judges of this contest? I'm not a particularly experienced mapper and I got so much enjoyment out of learning where I made mistakes on my last map that I spent a whole week fired up and working pretty much fulltime on a map for this competition.
While basically all of the attention is going to be focused on the top 5 (and likely deservedly so), I'm confident it would hugely encourage the extra community who are partaking in this competition to remain active in the mapmaking field in future if all the serious entries which didn't make it could get, maybe not necessarily detailed feedback like before (I'm aware the number of entries is likely to be a lot higher than motm) but hopefully a few key notes on what worked and what didn't (maybe some kind of scoresheet? I don't know how you rate the maps). It would be amazing to see how far off you were from being part of the top 5, it would show all the entrants that TL really want to support new map making talent, that the contest isn't just for the benefit of the mapping teams, and by showing people where to best spend their effort on improving their next map it ensures that the competition can only get better and better.
We can't give feedback on every map. But if you would like some pre-entry feedback feel free to annoy me.
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On October 02 2011 11:11 Plexa wrote:
Updated the OP with details about measuring things
is there something wrong with the hacked analyzer?
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On October 03 2011 12:05 a176 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 11:11 Plexa wrote:
Updated the OP with details about measuring things is there something wrong with the hacked analyzer?
There might be hence the other option if necessary.
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On October 03 2011 14:09 Barrin wrote:Thou shalt work on thy map.  Let's show Blizzard what we've got!  ...
I was about to choose "i might win", but then I considered all of the other amazing maps being posted recently and choose "yes and I won't win"
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also...
+ Show Spoiler +omg TL mapping contest!!!!!
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