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[M] Orbital Station

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SpaceYeti
Profile Joined June 2010
United States723 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 20:30:50
May 07 2011 22:40 GMT
#1
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Orbital is a 4p map intended for 1v1 play. The map architecture is designed to encourage frequent expanding an macro-style of play without prohibiting strong 2-base timing sort of play. Much of the economic design of Orbital Station is inspired by LaLuSh's insightful post, "Analysis of Macro".

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Several features make Orbital Station unique as a melee map, including:
1. Mineral patches contain 30% less minerals than typical (1050 instead of 1500).
2. The main and natural have 2 extra mineral patches.

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These first two changes are intended to lengthen out the time it takes the players to saturate their first 2 bases, while simultaneously decreasing the duration that a player can remain on only 1 or 2 bases. In testing, this has encouraged frequent expanding and macro-style of play, discouraged 1-base all-in play-styles (because the window of effectiveness has been shortened), but still allowed for interesting 2-base aggression styles.


3. There are major attack paths between opponents: a wide central low ground path; a narrow high-ground path; and a debris-protected side path into the back a likely 3rd base.
4. Players cannot spawn horizontally; they can only spawn vertically or diagonally.

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The map is roughly the size of Tal'Darim Altar LE.

Orbital Station is currently only on the NA server. I've also submitted this map for entry into the Map of the Month #5 competition. Please test it out with your friends and let me know what you think!

Map of the Month #5 Thread
Behavior is a function of its consequences.
ElOhTeeBee
Profile Joined April 2011
United States14 Posts
May 07 2011 23:33 GMT
#2
Why 1050 instead of 1000?
adso
Profile Joined March 2011
718 Posts
May 07 2011 23:58 GMT
#3
the legion of bloody encounters will liven the contrastsof this great layout!
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lengthen out the time it takes the players to saturate their first 2 bases, while simultaneously decreasing the duration that a player can remain on only 1 or 2 bases
"

if i may:
this map is obviously contending for motmt#5
PaPoolee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands660 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 23:59:29
May 07 2011 23:58 GMT
#4
On May 08 2011 08:33 ElOhTeeBee wrote:
Why 1050 instead of 1000?

Probably to force players to expand more thus maybe making the games less cheesy?.
WniO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2706 Posts
May 08 2011 00:00 GMT
#5
this map looks really long and awkward in cross spots. that said, i like the mineral change... how has it faired with your tests or other peoples? gl in motm^
Inside.Out
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada569 Posts
May 08 2011 06:30 GMT
#6
i think it needs a new name, since theres already 'Scrap Station' and 'Orbital Divide'

also the closespawn positions are a little too close
Kinetik_Inferno
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1431 Posts
May 08 2011 06:46 GMT
#7
On May 08 2011 15:30 EcstatiC wrote:
i think it needs a new name, since theres already 'Scrap Station' and 'Orbital Divide'

also the closespawn positions are a little too close


I agree.

Tell that to the guy who made metalopolis and shattered temple. You can't spawn horizontally if that's what you're talking about.
SpaceYeti
Profile Joined June 2010
United States723 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 15:21:20
May 08 2011 15:12 GMT
#8
On May 08 2011 08:33 ElOhTeeBee wrote:
Why 1050 instead of 1000?

Because 70% of 1500 is 1050. The actual reason I went with 30% is because after lots and lots and lots of testing, it just felt the best. Any less made bases feel like the mined out way too fast, especially for Terrans, and any more didn't feel like it encouraged expanding enough. The difference between 1050 and 1000 is probably not going to affect things too much (500 minerals at main and nat bases, 400 at others), but I liked a good round 30% rather than 1/3. Just a matter of preference I suppose.

On May 08 2011 09:00 WniO wrote:
this map looks really long and awkward in cross spots. that said, i like the mineral change... how has it faired with your tests or other peoples? gl in motm^

The cross positions are obviously the farthest away and have a very different feel from vertical spawns, mainly because of the available attack paths. The central path gets favored a lot more, but in testing players often take the gold expansions in these positions and so pushes often come through those platforms as well. Also, the map seems to generate a lot of interesting drop/nydus/warp-in harassment play which makes things really interesting.

I'll see if I can't dig up some of the replays from testing so people see the map in action. But of course, test it out with your friends and let me know what you think!

On May 08 2011 15:30 EcstatiC wrote:
i think it needs a new name, since theres already 'Scrap Station' and 'Orbital Divide'

I have a difficult time coming up with names for maps, so any suggestions would be helpful. The current name reflects two of the maps that inspired the design, which you rightly guessed, but some of the design is also inspired by Match Point. Anyway, any name suggestions would be helpful, tho it'll probably remain named Orbital Station until the MotM#5 is over.

Thanks for all your replies and input guys!
Behavior is a function of its consequences.
ElOhTeeBee
Profile Joined April 2011
United States14 Posts
May 09 2011 10:34 GMT
#9
On May 09 2011 00:12 SpaceYeti wrote:
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On May 08 2011 08:33 ElOhTeeBee wrote:
Why 1050 instead of 1000?

Because 70% of 1500 is 1050. The actual reason I went with 30% is because after lots and lots and lots of testing, it just felt the best. Any less made bases feel like the mined out way too fast, especially for Terrans, and any more didn't feel like it encouraged expanding enough. The difference between 1050 and 1000 is probably not going to affect things too much (500 minerals at main and nat bases, 400 at others), but I liked a good round 30% rather than 1/3. Just a matter of preference I suppose.

...Oh. That would explain that. For some reason, I was reading 30% as 1/3rd...

In a weak effort to provide more meaningful input: This map seems rather tightly packed. Not a lot of room for flanking maneuvers. I'd have to see the analyzer data to be sure... well, slightly less unsure, anyway.
SpaceYeti
Profile Joined June 2010
United States723 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-28 16:14:43
September 28 2011 16:04 GMT
#10
Been a long time since I opened up the editor, but in light of the TL Map Contest announcement, here's an upload of the sc2 map-analyzer data:

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Note: There are no horizontal spawns.

Rest of the results:
http://imgur.com/a/84wUd#Iscgv

I'm thinking about changing the minerals in main and natural. Currently there are 10 patches, but each patch has 30% fewer minerals per patch. This means the main and natural take a little longer to saturate, but also means they mine our much faster (this was my attempted solution to LaLuSh's Macro Dilemma). This should encourage players to expand and make 1-2 base timings that involve cutting workers less formidable, tho it does change some build timings.

Please help me out by indicating how you think I should treat the minerals at the main and natural:

Poll: How should I make the minerals in Main and Natural?

Leave as is -- 10 patches, 30% less minerals per patch. (7)
 
64%

Blizzard Standard -- 8 patches, 1500 minerals per patch. (4)
 
36%

Compromise -- 8 patches, 30% less per patch. (0)
 
0%

11 total votes

Your vote: How should I make the minerals in Main and Natural?

(Vote): Leave as is -- 10 patches, 30% less minerals per patch.
(Vote): Compromise -- 8 patches, 30% less per patch.
(Vote): Blizzard Standard -- 8 patches, 1500 minerals per patch.

Behavior is a function of its consequences.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
September 29 2011 14:50 GMT
#11
If you want to submit it to the TL contest, then go with Blizzard. Otherwise leave it as is.
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EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
September 29 2011 20:36 GMT
#12
If the purpose of the map was to use Lalush-worthy minerals (something we haven't fully explored at all since the metagame has pushed beyond that analysis for now), you shouldn't change it. I would make a new (possibly similar) map if you want to submit for the contest.
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