[UMS] Macro Or Die - The Competitive Macro Trainer - Page 16

On May 27 2011 06:27 Malstriks wrote:
is there anyway for this map to appear in the "versus AI" list so i don't have to deal with delay?? would REALLY appreciate it.

On May 27 2011 06:35 Varpulis wrote:

This map is for training, isn't it? if you're going to be playing with delay in a real game, you should train with delay, imo.

I'm not sure, but isn't the "vs ai" list only for blizz maps?

On May 28 2011 01:14 Tristan107 wrote:
About AI : would it be possible to choose an easier AI to be able to focus on macro with standard BO ?

For example, with "very easy" (Green Tea ?) zerg AI, on Xel'naga, it always goes on 7 roach rush, which is a really early attack, and which forces an early forge (at least at my silver level) :



I would prefer to train to do a "3-gate sentry expand" rather than to defend this early push. More over, it looks like the demo replays have not been done with this AI (I'm talking about (PvAI - Master League) Inori teaches you how to Dougie (I mean 3 Gate/FE)).

On May 28 2011 01:24 _Major wrote:
I'm pretty sure Inori was playing against the Medium AI.

On May 28 2011 01:24 _Major wrote:
I suggest that you play against Easy or Medium over Very Easy. If you find that you are getting overpowered by them switch the speed to fast or something slower. This is not a dig; this is a viable way to train. It allows you to have more reaction time and will get you up to speed a lot better than you think. Also, watch your replays to see where the AI put there money and what you did/didn't do to counter that.

On May 26 2011 07:07 _Major wrote:
Hey guys,

I think I have found a way to fix the localization issues with non English-GB copies of the game. We'll try to get a version uploaded tomorrow.

On May 28 2011 01:35 Tristan107 wrote:


Sure, but I think it was the normal Medium AI, not the Green Tea medium AI.



Ok, why not, thanks for advice.

On May 28 2011 05:44 ThatGuy89 wrote:
wow this looks interesting. Sorry if i missed it, but is this on eu yet

On May 28 2011 04:40 _Major wrote:
BTW, thank you for posting the replay. That is very helpful. The Very Easy Zerg AI is broken right now. It doesn't expand; it just masses units.

On May 28 2011 06:16 _Major wrote:
@ EU players with Non-English clients, please try out Xel'Naga now.

I think I fixed it. We confirmed with DE locales, but need everyone else to let us know if it works for them. If the fix is solid, I'll send more maps up for the weekend.

On May 28 2011 17:27 Tristan107 wrote:

France here, the new Xel'Naga map works great !

On May 28 2011 18:39 Tristan107 wrote:
A few stats about the so called "easy" zerg AI :

* At 9 minutes, it has 50 drones,
* a few minutes later, it has 4 bases, including gold (which looks a better situation than the demo game, where the "very hard" AI had only a 4th distant hatch).
* It does muta harass on main, and simultaneously attacks the natural with speedlings/banelings/roaches
* It has "diamond" level in the final panel.
* It goes up to more than 200 APM (in the end of the game).

Conclusion : for a silver player, it's quite too much, even in "normal" mode... Even with a fine macro with no nuke, it requires a very high micro, it's too bad for a macro training map.

Replay : http://drop.sc/11495

By the way, I've found a real bug : I've tried to play against it in "normal" and even "slow" game speed, but on this map, the game speed never changes, it's always "fastest" what ever you choose.

On May 29 2011 04:15 VaultDweller wrote:
And second, how accurate is the rating if I play on easy? In the replay I've posted it said I was in GM right until the end, dropping the rating to master in the score window ( for some reason i didn't really get ? ). Only problem is that I'm in Gold...

Replay: http://drop.sc/11525

On May 29 2011 07:58 Dreyven wrote:

That's strange, i played against medium right now... and it's kinda stupid

PvZ
i fast expanded at 16 or so, he took his expo at 25ish
pretty standart game, zerg takes 3rd before me and goes roach hydra
but! the AI never took the 4th, we had a lot of army trade offs and once i had the gold as my 4th it got easier and easier and easier, because he stoped expanding and run dry

btw i went pure zealot archon just to test and it was really easy for me... maybe it's the ai's fault?