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baskerville
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
541 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-10 23:34:14
November 10 2010 02:57 GMT
#1
bou
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Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
November 10 2010 03:34 GMT
#2
before you go any further, you need to make the map symmetrical for the sake of balance.
baskerville
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
541 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-10 08:57:20
November 10 2010 08:38 GMT
#3
On November 10 2010 12:34 Chairman Ray wrote:
before you go any further, you need to make the map symmetrical for the sake of balance.


i respectfully disagree that maps should all be totally mirrored

the difference is really negligible and can be tweaked after thorough testing
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prodiG
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2016 Posts
November 10 2010 08:42 GMT
#4
On November 10 2010 17:38 baskerville wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2010 12:34 Chairman Ray wrote:
before you go any further, you need to make the map symmetrical for the sake of balance.


i respectfully disagree that maps should all be totally mirrored

the difference is really negligible

Can you mathematically calculate every potential advantage that one spawn can have and then mirror that level of advantage everywhere? Or is one player spawning in free-win mode fair?
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51382 Posts
November 10 2010 08:45 GMT
#5
Umm are these maps that you made meant for competitive play?
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baskerville
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
541 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-10 09:48:15
November 10 2010 08:56 GMT
#6
On November 10 2010 17:42 prodiG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2010 17:38 baskerville wrote:
On November 10 2010 12:34 Chairman Ray wrote:
before you go any further, you need to make the map symmetrical for the sake of balance.


i respectfully disagree that maps should all be totally mirrored

the difference is really negligible

Can you mathematically calculate every potential advantage that one spawn can have and then mirror that level of advantage everywhere? Or is one player spawning in free-win mode fair?


which player would that be?

i have whims no grand scheme
the maps are always works in progress until the map maker gets bored and starts another...

i'm experiencing with division of the playable area
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baskerville
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
541 Posts
November 10 2010 09:00 GMT
#7
On November 10 2010 17:45 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Umm are these maps that you made meant for competitive play?


it'd be awfully suprising that i'd lay a perfect "competitive map" right out of the gate
no?

hopefully one or two will meet "standards"
for now, i'm grinning the maps
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51382 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-10 09:37:39
November 10 2010 09:35 GMT
#8
On November 10 2010 18:00 baskerville wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2010 17:45 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Umm are these maps that you made meant for competitive play?


it'd be awfully suprising that i'd lay a perfect "competitive map" right out of the gate
no?

hopefully one or two will meet "standards"
for now, i'm grinning the maps


there is no such thing as a perfect competitive map.

You have not answered my question,are these maps meant for competitive purposes?

You don't seem to take criticism well judging from your other map's threads.
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baskerville
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
541 Posts
November 10 2010 09:47 GMT
#9
On November 10 2010 18:35 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2010 18:00 baskerville wrote:
On November 10 2010 17:45 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Umm are these maps that you made meant for competitive play?


it'd be awfully suprising that i'd lay a perfect "competitive map" right out of the gate
no?

hopefully one or two will meet "standards"
for now, i'm grinning the maps


there is no such thing as a perfect competitive map.

You have not answered my question,are these maps meant for competitive purposes.


sooory

i should have answered, it's just i have such a sweet answer

the maps i do are downloadable when tested vs cp or other
they are accessible, that is my only goal

as for competitive, let's have your 2 cent on what that encompasses
for me i agree "there is no such thing as a perfect competitive map."
and

i thrive to please, please my player friends, the 3v3 neub, the scbw crowd ... anyone really

and i'd rather start out with "feeling or flavor with no real technical objective in mind " maps
to get to naturally refined ORIGINAL maps as i pile them up

in short : they are downloadable, what people do with them is up to them
(just remember to credit the creator of said map and don't leave your bag in the station cause we will not be liable if you got it snatched while you were reading this post)

gogogo
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Kanil
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1713 Posts
November 10 2010 09:53 GMT
#10
Where's the "9 player FFA!" vote in the poll?
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baskerville
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
541 Posts
November 10 2010 09:56 GMT
#11
On November 10 2010 18:53 Kanil wrote:
Where's the "9 player FFA!" vote in the poll?


i thought tl trolls would jump on me and tickle me to death until i died zats why its not there

if you want, ask and i'll add it
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51382 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-10 10:02:01
November 10 2010 09:58 GMT
#12
On November 10 2010 18:47 baskerville wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2010 18:35 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On November 10 2010 18:00 baskerville wrote:
On November 10 2010 17:45 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Umm are these maps that you made meant for competitive play?


it'd be awfully suprising that i'd lay a perfect "competitive map" right out of the gate
no?

hopefully one or two will meet "standards"
for now, i'm grinning the maps


there is no such thing as a perfect competitive map.

You have not answered my question,are these maps meant for competitive purposes.


i thrive to please, please my player friends, the 3v3 neub, the scbw crowd ... anyone really



As much as it is a good idea,I doubt that you can satisfy all three sets of people there unless you make a map thats better than BGH,but its a challenge you can take as motivation.

lol 9 player FFA
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baskerville
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
541 Posts
November 10 2010 10:05 GMT
#13
On November 10 2010 18:58 BLinD-RawR wrote:

As much as it is a good idea,I doubt that you can satisfy all three sets of people there unless you make a map thats better than BGH,but its a challenge you can take as motivation.

lol 9 player FFA


3v3 then?
one on an island and the other two on ground
i suspect i'll go for 1v1 (my favorite) on a 6 start locations (including island)

in any case it's at a planning stage, bases must be resized and reshaped
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baskerville
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
541 Posts
November 10 2010 10:15 GMT
#14
On November 10 2010 18:35 BLinD-RawR wrote:

You don't seem to take criticism well judging from your other map's threads.


i listen and process every line that's a start

i prefer making maps and tinkering with concepts not result

keep the comments coming
keep insight functionality reaping

and i'll keep grinning new maps until i get capped
then we'll see

i'm more or less expecting
one of you guys to actually discuss mapmaking (this is the map thread)
i got a few insightful posters which i'm thankful for
and hope i see viewers pile up (or not)

i'm even up for orders
but we'll order to go, i don't like been served on

to finish:
don't mistake cynicism for hostility, i make maps, love and play the game (not enough for comfort) and don't take shit zats all
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51382 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-10 13:35:44
November 10 2010 13:32 GMT
#15
On November 10 2010 19:15 baskerville wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2010 18:35 BLinD-RawR wrote:

You don't seem to take criticism well judging from your other map's threads.


i listen and process every line that's a start

i prefer making maps and tinkering with concepts not result

keep the comments coming
keep insight functionality reaping

and i'll keep grinning new maps until i get capped
then we'll see

i'm more or less expecting
one of you guys to actually discuss mapmaking (this is the map thread)
i got a few insightful posters which i'm thankful for
and hope i see viewers pile up (or not)

i'm even up for orders
but we'll order to go, i don't like been served on

to finish:
don't mistake cynicism for hostility, i make maps, love and play the game (not enough for comfort) and don't take shit zats all


What I mean is that you make a whole bunch of maps expecting people to like it and when they point out the problems you just reveal a new map with the same problems,you don't seem to be learning from your "mistakes"(double quoted because you believe there are none).I understand you don't really like standard maps(by this i mean standard custom maps like iCCup maps not blizzard maps) but there is a good reason why they are played more.

People here are not posting in your thread to say that your maps are "bad"(I don't think they are) just to discourage you.They are giving criticism because they want you to be a better mapper.

if they didn't they wouldn't even post here.

P.S

Learn the Quote and Edit function on the forums.
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baskerville
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
541 Posts
November 10 2010 13:56 GMT
#16
"they want you to be a better mapper."

lol
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baskerville
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
541 Posts
November 10 2010 14:00 GMT
#17
On November 10 2010 18:53 Kanil wrote:
Where's the "9 player FFA!" vote in the poll?


it would be both a 1v1 with 9 spawn location and a free for all 9 player map
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Chriamon
Profile Joined April 2010
United States886 Posts
November 10 2010 14:03 GMT
#18
Look man, you've been churning out map after map, and tbh, none of these maps look even remotely finished. You need to put more work into your maps before you release them. Take a look at some maps like, say prodiG's. When you see his maps, they look like they are actually finished, and like a lot of work went into them. Your maps all look like you made a first draft in like 20-30 minutes and then posted that first draft, and then any critisism you get you always just say "play the map before you comment about it." That is just dumb. Why do you expect people to play maps that look like garbage, when there are plenty of maps out there that look like they actually took some work to make.
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baskerville
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
541 Posts
November 10 2010 14:07 GMT
#19
On November 10 2010 22:32 BLinD-RawR wrote:you believe there are none
(flaws in said maps)
...
Learn the Quote and Edit function on the forums.


that's not what i think
come to think of it that's not what i said either

as for learning i'm too ... to care
please teach me if it bothers you that much



...

no really you guys have got me all wrong

i don't lash out ... for anything or anyone ...
perhaps a tad blunt and precise as to what i think, and that is so not tl like



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baskerville
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
541 Posts
November 10 2010 14:20 GMT
#20
On November 10 2010 23:03 Chriamon wrote: ...maps that look like garbage...


thanks
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51382 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-10 14:38:28
November 10 2010 14:34 GMT
#21
On November 10 2010 23:07 baskerville wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2010 22:32 BLinD-RawR wrote:you believe there are none
(flaws in said maps)
...
Learn the Quote and Edit function on the forums.


that's not what i think
come to think of it that's not what i said either

as for learning i'm too ... to care
please teach me if it bothers you that much



...

no really you guys have got me all wrong

i don't lash out ... for anything or anyone ...
perhaps a tad blunt and precise as to what i think, and that is so not tl like






If you don't care about our comments and opinions,why bother posting them up here.I can't teach he who cares not to learn.

Off topic:Where are you from...I'd like to know which server you are on.
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baskerville
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
541 Posts
November 10 2010 15:11 GMT
#22
"Off topic:Where are you from...I'd like to know which server you are on."

you guys could learn a thing or two about reding

as for
"If you don't care about our comments and opinions,why bother posting them up here.I can't teach he who cares not to learn.

i typed and meant that i do not care for learning a (M) tag for posting

people s comments about mapmaking and maps are all welcomed and cherished
but they are not seen often on forums (tl or other)
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