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angelomar13
United States7 Posts
On March 28 2013 07:15 MavercK wrote: it's only playable on b.net right now, i might release a downloadable version with this latest update but we'll see. ohh ok. love what i see in all the videos the gameplay. thnx for the reply. BTW was just asking... cause i mostly play offline. lol. [with the ai].... since i work a lot ..... | ||
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Pr0nogo
United States301 Posts
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angelomar13
United States7 Posts
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Pr0nogo
United States301 Posts
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angelomar13
United States7 Posts
i suk at PvP... thats why i enjoy more PvE than PvP.... hope it comes as at .exe file or as a mod... well back to work.... . | ||
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decemberscalm
United States1353 Posts
They moved out with zero problem when I ordered them to. Odd. | ||
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decemberscalm
United States1353 Posts
I noticed you switched methods for spreading stacked units from how you used to do them. You commented that the force method is sub optimal. When I was toying with air spreading I constantly ran into a glitch where a group of stacked units would continually travel downwards while still stacked. I am guessing this is because the center where it puts the force effect is not able to find a spot in a bunch of 0 radius mutas. I came up with a very simple alternative method I wouldn't be surprised you haven't already tried and didn't like already. Just in case here it is: Order (triggering unit) to ( Move targetting ((position of (triggering unit)) offset by 1.0 towards (Random angle) degrees)) (replace existing orders). That effectively stopped that bug because mutas are trying to move towards random angles instead of away from a sometimes non-existent center. | ||
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Semmo
Korea (South)627 Posts
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MavercK
Australia2181 Posts
On March 30 2013 19:35 Semmo wrote: Hi. Is it possible to make Sc2bw compatible with WoL? Because people with only WoL cannot play it. argh... i cannnnnnn but i miss out on alot of assets, i can't use anything from HotS =\ | ||
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MavercK
Australia2181 Posts
On March 30 2013 17:18 decemberscalm wrote: I was playing with air spread and micro. I noticed you switched methods for spreading stacked units from how you used to do them. You commented that the force method is sub optimal. When I was toying with air spreading I constantly ran into a glitch where a group of stacked units would continually travel downwards while still stacked. I am guessing this is because the center where it puts the force effect is not able to find a spot in a bunch of 0 radius mutas. I came up with a very simple alternative method I wouldn't be surprised you haven't already tried and didn't like already. Just in case here it is: Order (triggering unit) to ( Move targetting ((position of (triggering unit)) offset by 1.0 towards (Random angle) degrees)) (replace existing orders). That effectively stopped that bug because mutas are trying to move towards random angles instead of away from a sometimes non-existent center. yea i dont like replacing orders or even messing with orders at all. when playing online it can really screw you up when units are getting weird orders and you dont know why. what you described shouldn't however happen. are you playing on NA? which flying units was it? | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
On March 30 2013 19:41 MavercK wrote: argh... i cannnnnnn but i miss out on alot of assets, i can't use anything from HotS =\ I really love the HOTS units. How can you have SCBW without the Devourer? Also any thoughts on using the Impaler Colony Model as Sunken Colony? | ||
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Semmo
Korea (South)627 Posts
On March 30 2013 19:41 MavercK wrote: argh... i cannnnnnn but i miss out on alot of assets, i can't use anything from HotS =\ Well you can export the models for the units, people did it with tilesets so... I know it's cumbersome so if you want to do it, it'll be really nice ^_^ but if not it's ok | ||
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decemberscalm
United States1353 Posts
On March 30 2013 23:00 MavercK wrote: yea i dont like replacing orders or even messing with orders at all. when playing online it can really screw you up when units are getting weird orders and you dont know why. what you described shouldn't however happen. are you playing on NA? which flying units was it? Absolutely don't worry about that. This was on a test map not the official pool so I'm sure I screwed up a dependency somewhere, I'm sorry I wasn't clear enough in the regard. I wasn't able to replicate it on an actual sc2bw map so I'm certain you have no need to worry. On a side note I have a few suggestions in regards to mutas. There is a few discreprencies between how sc2bw handles mutas and BW does. This is taken from testing on the official map pool so no conflicts there ^^. SC2BW triggers actively cares if the units are selected so it can find out if there are less than 13 units and if the magic box is broken. In BW, stacking only cares if you ordered your units a command if the magic box is broken, this is not a proactive and continual check. This means that as soon as you switch to your hatch hotkey your mutas instantly unstack in SC2BW as opposed to BW. This wouldn't be a problem if mutas auto stacked like they did in BW from merely move commanding around. Instead, you have to try to issue orders very close to the mutas to get them to stack and THEN start moving them. Lastly, BW mutas don't start unstacking the moment they are stationary. It actually takes about a second for initial moment of unstacking, and spreads out over a long time until they are fully spread. This makes manually stacking mutas or even leaving them unattended for a few seconds a bit more painful than it was in BW. Due to it being SC2, I can imagine you'll want to stack your mutas by ordering a move command right next to, or in the center of the mutas. If you order them to move somewhere far they won't automatically stack. If you delay the unstacking process, this will mean it won't be a complete pain to get your mutas to stack every time the SC2 way and would be more true to BW. This also means that switching to different control groups won't force you to restack your muta flock to continue harassment. Imagine trying to do dual prong muta harass when they all fan out immediately (unlike BW) but don't fan back in immediately (like BW). If you want to go absolutely true to BW where the mutas immediately want to stack together instead of flying in formation, I think it would require some nudging via data and triggers. Perhaps by analyzing which mutalisks are further from the unit center and nudging them towards that. But that might be too much pain to be unnecessary if you can get it down to simply clicking very close a muta flock to get a stack. One last note to illustrate why this creates a big difference between sc2bw and bw. Say you have a sci vessel that irradiates a flock of mutalisks. It is the easiest thing in the world to simply deselect the muta group by just click one muta or hitting a hotkey and then all of the damage is minimized. It is much harder to unstack in BW than it is in SC2BW. A simple stop command handles the matter. If a muta flock is on transit and gets irradiated, it doesn't matter, they are not selected and therefore unstacked. This would have been extremely painful in BW because the mutas are still stacked on route to their destination. Thank you for reading ^^ I'll try to think of some solutions but my triggering is not up to par with yours. | ||
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Dirtyharry
Germany171 Posts
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Master of DalK
Canada1797 Posts
EDIT: Dirtyharry tested the maps out, Match Point, Destination, Andromeda are the ones that do not work | ||
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Pr0nogo
United States301 Posts
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purakushi
United States3300 Posts
EDIT: Another topic that I meant to post here. Regarding high ground advantage. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18170707 | ||
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rift
1819 Posts
-another thing i noticed is that units seem to be able to get closer to each other than in bw, and so scarabs/mines/stasis etc are more powerful | ||
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decemberscalm
United States1353 Posts
It is simply the roach launch missile effect and the drone attack sound. I'm not sure which exact launch effect sc2bw uses, but the roach one looks nice. I think it is more accurate simply because there was not an acid projectile, but the SC2BW one is very visible which is nice for readability. It also has the acidic impact. I made it for fun, as well as a zealot one-two BW punch animation but I can't quite seem to get that to work properly in game. | ||
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decemberscalm
United States1353 Posts
Had some more fun with modding data. I was attempting to get the immortal to maintain its target while moving, going through various methods that all had their failings. The same method I got to finally word would also be applicable to the siege tank. The BW siege tank is interesting, because like a carrier it constantly tracks its target while moving. If you order an attack on a unit (even a friendly unit) and then start moving the tank will maintain the attack command. If you stop, the tank will fire without requiring an additional attack command. This would be a complete pain in the ass to replicate for SC2, and largely unnecessary. A small important touch that could matter is the rotation speed of the tank and its facing. It is better to attack a tank from wherever its turret isn't facing because it does take a second for the turret to swing, even better attacking it from behind. This matters for early game goon vs tank w/o siege tech, not incredibly so but still a detail that is easy to replicate, and much better than the silly looking SC2 version. The SC2 tank resets its turret as soon as it moves. In order to fix this, I've giving the tank a dummy weapon with zero effects on it that has the same values as the normal weapon (most importantly range). Then I've given this dummy weapon the ability to move and shoot at the same time (weapon allowed movement: moving, options+: get rid of all the things requiring an attack command or target). Last but not least, you'd need to go into the siege tank unit actor into events+ field. Any time it calls for the attack animation to play, make sure the event that calls it Siege Tank Weapon Start, includes the actual siege tanks damage dealing weapon for the sub field. This will ensure the dummy weapon that tracks targets doesn't start an attack animation while moving. Fun stuff ^^ | ||
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