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On March 23 2011 07:46 FlopTurnReaver wrote:Sorry, my post must've sounded very negative because of the last point. It's actually not supposed to, you did an incredible job and I really like to play it. I might be mistaken with the speeds since I haven't played BW in a while and I'm sure you know better, was just the way it appeared to me. I mentioned Grand Line because I noticed that Defilers still have that shini swarm which was different on Python (where it looks as in BW). Also on Grand Line the Hydra Den appears to lack the Lurker upgrade. And I wasn't talking about my favourite map but about the map I made and got changed and given to you without asking me (HBR). Don't get me wrong, I think it's cool that it's being used for this but you might also know the feeling of something you made being taken, edited and given to someone else etc. Well anyway, keep up the amazing work, I'm certainly gonna play it a lot more in the future 
HBR for awhile i tried to convert myself. had no luck. i forget where i found it. i think on some random website. sorry i didn't know who to give credit to. i'll add your name in later.
your from switzerland? playing on EU? i can't vouch for EU maps if they are upto date or not. all US maps should be perfect.
1.3 might have also causes bugs with my map. i havn't actually checked yet.
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On March 21 2011 22:37 sluggaslamoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 23:58 Negent wrote:On March 08 2011 19:25 Skrelt wrote:On March 08 2011 17:51 MavercK wrote:
i have many random plans i can't decide on which to do.
sc2 pathing and black fog i can work in as lobby options.
new units. if i ever did such a thing would be maybe a seperate map. i also wouldn't replace. but it lets me be more creative i guess. my idea for new units would be a new tech tier. units would not be stronger than maybe mid game units. but would hopefully change the dynamic of the game.
but yea that'd be a seperate map/idea. maybe one day. If you ever start with scbw and sc2 combo, i would make a statue of you. Period. As for the balance in such a game, Does your thoughts lean more to BW or sc2? i mean for example, cliff vision. Which way should be more viable to you? not starting about ballance and stuf, but just something simple as vision up a cliff allready seems dificult. This is exactly what I want. In fact there is already a SC2-BW combo map out there, but it sucks badly. One based on this mod would be so much better! I would lean toward the SC2 macro-mechanics (I like larvae inject and chrono boost), but keep the BW cliff vision. Since SC2 is based on broodwar at some level I don’t think balance would be that bad. And potentially it would have more variety and options than either SC2 or BW. I am working on one, but its taking a long long LONG time to figure out. Basically been testing it for almost a year with masters players, changing, adding, removing, re-adding, re-removing and resetting things. The hardest part is actually figuring out what NOT to change, because if you change too much, people won't want to play it. All thanks to Maverck the process has been much easier though, before the reaver was added I was stuck for ages on that part. I assumed the release would have the reaver, but it didn't. A lot of things like that happened where simply I wanted to remove units, but the replacement didn't exist. I have played BW so the mechanics part was easy to implement. I have implemented Muta micro slightly differently for example, its a bit more complicated (uses 2 weapons that alternate depending on speed) but more like BW. I have no idea how Maverck got the slow spread to work though, I would really like to found out how he did that. I plan to script a custom ladder system for it by grabbing data from sc2ranks, I am considering creating a BW ladder as well when I get it working.
Sluggaslamoo that sounds amazing. I would love to help play-test it, when you have a finished version.
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On March 23 2011 05:46 buhhy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 04:11 goiflin wrote:I know this has probably been asked before, but is it possible to make the dragoon retarded, like in BW? It was part of its character, to me  Maybe make a function for retarded pathfinding or SC2 pathfinding when you make the game? Actually, on a more serious note, there was a guy who made a mod that brought pathfinding that was more like BW (sans retarded), in that units didn't clump so much. I haven't checked up on that mod or this one in a while, and I was wondering, have you folks ever considered implementing such a thing? The increased unit bounding box mod? Anyways, does anyone know why my model does this? Seems like the normals are inverted for whatever reason. ![[image loading]](http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/3198/wtf1q.jpg)
Buhhy, in 3ds max, go down to the polygon level, select all polygons, and add the Edit Normals Modifier. If you see the handles pointing inwards, they're inverted.
And/or you could apply the Normal modifier and tick the flip box, collapse.
If not, try checking your material if they are two sided. This seems to create some problems for some folks. Either way, it should be easy to fix.
About this map/mod that dumbs movement, where can we get a hold of it?
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All EU maps are up to date, I think its even impossible they use differrent assets files...
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On March 23 2011 15:33 virusak wrote:
All EU maps are up to date, I think its even impossible they use differrent assets files...
Really?
When i search for "sc2bw" on eu the only maps that are up to date are Python, Othello, Heartbreak Ridge, Big Game Hunters.
Match Point, Grandline, Poloaris are still older versions.
Am i searching for the wrong thing? i really want more maps
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On March 23 2011 21:08 herberckl wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 15:33 virusak wrote:
All EU maps are up to date, I think its even impossible they use differrent assets files... Really? When i search for "sc2bw" on eu the only maps that are up to date are Python, Othello, Heartbreak Ridge, Big Game Hunters. Match Point, Grandline, Poloaris are still older versions. Am i searching for the wrong thing? i really want more maps
the old versions are because one user (ohdamm or something like that) stopped uploading a few months ago and did not remove these maps, maybe maverick could PM him to do that.
I think I will start adding version number to map names now, since map info isnt show by default in custom games now
as to the number of aviable maps - since you can only add so many files from one account (there are 5 more dependency files that you have to upload so that the maps work)
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when is the next tournament ? :D
I want to play this mod but I can't find nobody ready to play a game, and even on the chatchannel.
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On March 23 2011 05:46 buhhy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 04:11 goiflin wrote:I know this has probably been asked before, but is it possible to make the dragoon retarded, like in BW? It was part of its character, to me Maybe make a function for retarded pathfinding or SC2 pathfinding when you make the game? Actually, on a more serious note, there was a guy who made a mod that brought pathfinding that was more like BW (sans retarded), in that units didn't clump so much. I haven't checked up on that mod or this one in a while, and I was wondering, have you folks ever considered implementing such a thing? The increased unit bounding box mod? Anyways, does anyone know why my model does this? Seems like the normals are inverted for whatever reason. + Show Spoiler +
I think that's the mod, yes. I'll check to see if I can find it in a bit.
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On March 23 2011 23:06 Gyro_SC2 wrote:
when is the next tournament ? :D
I want to play this mod but I can't find nobody ready to play a game, and even on the chatchannel.
Aha well i hosted the first one but it was a bit of a failure, as the majority of the games failed, didnt happen, noshows etc
I might do another lower stakes one in the future where people can turn up on the day but we will see i guess
Basically the main problem is loads of people STILL don't know about this map, and we cant get away with talking about in general sc2 to garner attention. Hopefully when the map is really 100% done there could be another announcement and a big opening ceremony and stuff
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SC2BW has 3 featured maps on EU, yay, this should boost the number of people playing this
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This is cool! I am on the EU servers and I uploaded the Custom Assets dependencies (I want to make some maps with this) and I wanted to upload the Data mod as well but it said that the music mods were missing. It appears they aren't included in the download in the original post. Could you please upload those too?
P.S. Damn, this will take up half or more of my hosting quota :-/
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Oh wait, I just read some of the posts before me and sounds like all the dependencies are already hosted on EU. But I can't find them when I search for "sc2bw" or "brood war". Are they locked or what am I doing wrong?
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well the uploaded dependecies are not shared between users. Did you ask MavercK for permission? You should ask him to give them to you
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I didn't ask for permission, I thought it would be okay since the download link is available to anyone. (and the only reason to download a SC2 mod is to host it isn't it?)
Also, hosting the same data multiple times on the same servers is very inefficient considering the file sizes involved. Only one person should have to sacrifice 50% of their hosting space, not more.
But if I'm wrong please tell me and I will remove the files immediately from my hosting space.
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you should ask
the music dependencies are included in older versions. i dont include them everytime because they dont change so no reason to.
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On March 23 2011 15:17 GnaReffotsirk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 05:46 buhhy wrote:On March 23 2011 04:11 goiflin wrote:I know this has probably been asked before, but is it possible to make the dragoon retarded, like in BW? It was part of its character, to me Maybe make a function for retarded pathfinding or SC2 pathfinding when you make the game? Actually, on a more serious note, there was a guy who made a mod that brought pathfinding that was more like BW (sans retarded), in that units didn't clump so much. I haven't checked up on that mod or this one in a while, and I was wondering, have you folks ever considered implementing such a thing? The increased unit bounding box mod? Anyways, does anyone know why my model does this? Seems like the normals are inverted for whatever reason. Buhhy, in 3ds max, go down to the polygon level, select all polygons, and add the Edit Normals Modifier. If you see the handles pointing inwards, they're inverted. And/or you could apply the Normal modifier and tick the flip box, collapse. If not, try checking your material if they are two sided. This seems to create some problems for some folks. Either way, it should be easy to fix. About this map/mod that dumbs movement, where can we get a hold of it?
Ahh k, 2sided materials did it for me.
Here's the ingame screenie, no specular or emissive map yet, and only a simple placeholder normal map:
![[image loading]](http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/4086/screenshot2011032323252.jpg)
Man... SC2 units are shiny...
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For a still-temporary version, as you said if it had that TINY bit of light flicking off it like that Viking, it would fit flawlessly. Amazing job. Seriously all the modelers for this project so far have created absolutely superb work.
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new version going up now
Machine Shop no longer is selected over Units with Drag Box Selection
All Spellcaster Units should be the default selected subgroup
Creep Colony animations completely reworked. will no longer dissapear when canceled and upgrading is visibly obvious
Scan-Move button added for all spellcasters/non-attacking units that previously did not have it
Many improvements to Ghost's Lockdown ability.
Many improvements to custom models
Upgrades can no longer be queued.
Shield Battery can now be activated by Right Clicking a unit onto it.
Hold Position Lurker implemented. as a result Stop Position Lurker was removed. does not require an overlord. simply use hold position on the lurker.
Improved Science Facility Placement Model
Optical Flare and Restoration can no longer be cast on Structures
Optical Flare now suppresses Detection
EMP should no longer affect the Science Vessel that cast it.
Removed Biological Target Filter from Lockdown Ability
New "What" and "Ready" Sounds for many Buildings
Player slots should not be locked anymore.
Ladder Ranking should persist over all maps correctly
Valkyrie and Corsair have been updated with nice particle effects
Maps, Destination and Othello updated
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