On the map Back to Back, maybe you should switch the natural and the main to make it like some BW maps with the natural behind the main or whatever. If you were to do this, I would make the main choke smaller and the natural choke bigger.

palanq

United States761 Posts

May 25 2010 22:21 GMT

#23

these are really cool. can't wait to double expo before making any units on congo LOL

it looks really hard to attack in congo because there's a single area of the map that defends 4 bases by ground, including the gold... not to mention, it's so huge.

Xeken

United States77 Posts

May 25 2010 22:30 GMT

#24

It's hard to compare tell exactly how much area the tower covers from the natural, but could that tower be potentially devastating with a siege tank set-up, making it more difficult than normal to assault the location?

chuky500

France473 Posts

May 25 2010 22:43 GMT

#25

I uploaded the maps there http://dl.free.fr/iX73vTfps Click on "Télécharger ce fichier"

They're the files from the editor though. You'll have to publish them to be able to play from the US server.

locus117

United States3 Posts

May 26 2010 00:38 GMT

#26

sweet thanks!

Zergneedsfood

United States10671 Posts

May 26 2010 00:41 GMT

#27

I personally think that Congo should be like.....a four player map, or bigger then a four player map.

Hahaha. Sounds EPIC.

Two_DoWn

United States13684 Posts

May 26 2010 00:44 GMT

#28

Some of the towers seem like they is in a bad place on the first one. What is the point of the ones tucked in your natural?

OptimoPeach

United States137 Posts

May 26 2010 00:59 GMT

#29

On May 26 2010 09:44 Two_DoWn wrote:
Some of the towers seem like they is in a bad place on the first one. What is the point of the ones tucked in your natural?

This is my only real complaint. I think 4 towers is a little superfluous for the size of the map, and it'd probably be fine to just leave it at the 2 in mid. I dunno if I agree with the people saying the rush distance is too short. I thought so at first, but the path you have to take is winding enough that I don't think it's any shorter than Steppes of War. Maybe it's even a bit longer? Anyway, overall it looks great. I can't wait to try it out.

The second one seems way too big for 1v1, but then I've never been too fond of giant 1v1 maps in the first place

Phiru

United States9 Posts

May 26 2010 01:00 GMT

#30

I like Back to back. The way the main and natural are arranged should make for interesting play. The small chokes by the main and natural could promote early expand play but the part I really like is the back to back mineral patches. There is such a short fly distance for any harassment(thor drop, banshees, muta) but such a long walk distance for any ground based defense. It's like the nat/gold on blistering sands/steppes but taken to the extreme. We don't see enough econ harass in SC2 so this map should make for some interesting games.

OptimoPeach

United States137 Posts

May 26 2010 02:27 GMT

#31

I published Back to Back on the US server because no one else had yet and I wanted to try it with a friend. Unfortunately the name "Back to Back" wasn't available for some reason, so it's published under "Back to Back (TL)".

CagedMind

United States506 Posts

May 26 2010 02:53 GMT

#32

Umm back to back is a pretty large map. Desert oasis is 140x140

ttlranger

United States22 Posts

May 26 2010 02:55 GMT

#33

Those look nice. With Back to Back, I kind of feel like the ramp to the main should be adjusted. It seems like it'd be difficult to defend the main and the natural with a zerg force. Just as a hypothetical example (which might not be a good idea, just an example of what I'm thinking), if you were to move the natural mineral lines a few clicks towards the center of the map and then move the main ramps closer to the edges of the map, it would simultaneously increase the rush distance (except for cliff hoppers!) and allow the natural expo to serve as a defensive barrier for the main.

With Congo, it seems like there's a lot of unplayable space and a lot of narrow choking paths. It's almost like an island map. Maybe that's what you're going for, but if you want to see much ground army play, I'd think you should widen some of those paths. An alternate route might be interesting, too. What I like about Congo is that, although there's a gigantic rush distance, the naturals are also kind of far from the main. It changes things up. It's a little more difficult to get forces to your natural for defense, but it's also a long walk for your enemy to get any troops to your base.

WniO

United States2706 Posts

May 26 2010 02:57 GMT

#34

congo looks sweet man.

Darby.mcg

United States16 Posts

May 26 2010 03:34 GMT

#35

Haven't played either yet. B2B looks awesome! can't wait to play it! With Congo, like everyone else, the middle choke looks insanely thin for such a large map, dropping a few siege tanks just feels like hurt in my brain (colossi with range too). especially with the watch towers, no ground army is going to make it through that. I think it will either be almost all air, or fighting for control of that one choke.

jamesr12

United States1549 Posts

May 26 2010 03:43 GMT

#36

256x256 is wayyy to big for 1v1 shrink it down to like half that and it looks like it could be a fun map although very imba because of the one walking path with a cliff will make it terran favored. Just check the rush distance time I bet it is double what it is on any of the 1v1 currently save DO

DrSmoke

United States175 Posts

May 26 2010 03:50 GMT

#37

I like giant maps. Looks like fun.

OptimoPeach

United States137 Posts

May 26 2010 04:46 GMT

#38

On May 26 2010 11:55 ttlranger wrote:
Those look nice. With Back to Back, I kind of feel like the ramp to the main should be adjusted. It seems like it'd be difficult to defend the main and the natural with a zerg force. Just as a hypothetical example (which might not be a good idea, just an example of what I'm thinking), if you were to move the natural mineral lines a few clicks towards the center of the map and then move the main ramps closer to the edges of the map, it would simultaneously increase the rush distance (except for cliff hoppers!) and allow the natural expo to serve as a defensive barrier for the main.

After doing a few games, I like this idea. The mains also feel a bit cramped, but that's probably just because I play Terran so I have fucking supply depots and tech labs strewn all over the place. Minor stuff, though. I really like the map, and I'll play it just as much as any other Blizzard map.

Let me know if you update it or get an account on the US server so I can pull your current version that I have published there

teekesselchen

Germany886 Posts

May 26 2010 04:52 GMT

#39

Gotta say that I actually hate the idea of large maps in Starcraft 2 right now. The game just doesn't seem to fit to it.
This is my opinion since I had a 1on1 on shakuras plateau, this 2on2 map, on cross positions. It totally demolished the tactics that were available back then and it was absolutely boring. Ok, now the game might be a bit more macro orientated but however, it just takes yeeeeeaaaaarrrrrs for a Thor to get from one base to the oponents.

About back to back: Although I always keep an eye on the size of the main base, it's an interesting feature that players are practically forced to build at their naturals very early and are encouraged to get a fast expansion. It surely looks like it could be place of many cool macro games. But (only from the overview so far) it looks like there wasn't much efforts in optical design. The main thing I noticed was that there are many very straight and long cliffs what looks kinda bad especially for "natural" cliff type.
Edit: Ok, rechecked, actually it's only at a very few spots.

I'ld love to see a second more "standard" version with a normal sized main of it because I also like the rest of that map.

Endymion

United States3701 Posts

May 26 2010 06:13 GMT

#40

I have only played back to back so far, and I was very interested in the LoS blocker "forest" you created. I think that it's an ingenious idea, it really puts a lot of stress on controlling the watchtower, while in the early game you could have two forces passing right by each other and never knowing! I think it would make for very interesting play as well as a point of interest for spectators, while not really shifting favor to one race or another because of flying units late game. All in all its a fantastic mechanic!