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Iwbhs
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States195 Posts
June 13 2010 21:37 GMT
#21
crazyeyes gas only expos are useful as Z for quick muta builds or fast infestor/ling. I really don't like gas only because it favors terran a bit. double gas or in sc2 quad gas could be cool
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Yung
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States727 Posts
June 13 2010 21:47 GMT
#22
You should try gas only bases becasue gas is much more needed.
Trozz
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3456 Posts
June 13 2010 21:49 GMT
#23
Do's and Don'ts, you say?
My map is so nonstandard.
Nothing wrong with that.
A build is not a guess, an estimation or a hunch, a feeling, or a foolish intuition. A build is a dependable, unwavering, unarguably accurate, portrayer of your ambition.
Morayfire73
Profile Joined April 2010
United States298 Posts
June 13 2010 23:41 GMT
#24
I think that there should never be mineral only expansions in SC2 melee maps. When geysers run out of gas you don't continue to get gas like in BW, this makes gas much for valuable, making mineral only expansions completely useless.
[Insert witty comment here]
t3tsubo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada682 Posts
June 14 2010 00:51 GMT
#25
how about minerals and gas that are far away in the same expo so you have to choose whether to have more efficient gas miner or more efficient mineral mining based on where you build your CC?
Snowfield
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1289 Posts
June 14 2010 00:53 GMT
#26
On June 14 2010 04:50 Crazyeyes wrote:
What does everyone think about gas-only expansions? :O


You would have to make gas high demand, maybe your starting/natural geysers wouldn't have so much in them so that a gas only expo would be worth taking
MenacingVitamin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States50 Posts
June 14 2010 01:15 GMT
#27
why are people in this thread poo-pooing ideas without even testing them? I think certain ideas the OP had are really interesting...like less mineral nodes per expansion, or gas only areas. This would almost certainly make for a different game pace, as players would be almost forced to constantly expand and fight over the expansions, instead of just attacks to the main, gg. One could even create a map with like double the expansion points with half the minerals at each one. Insanely awesome possibilities in gameplay styles imo.

Don't shoot ideas down just because they might not fit with the way game play is right now and don't base judgments on current flavor-of-the-month strategy. Open your mind; get out of the box.
MenacingVitamin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States50 Posts
June 14 2010 01:28 GMT
#28
On June 14 2010 09:51 t3tsubo wrote:
how about minerals and gas that are far away in the same expo so you have to choose whether to have more efficient gas miner or more efficient mineral mining based on where you build your CC?


Ooooh I like this too. Another offshoot would be to maybe construct expansions so that players would have to place their command centers/hatcheries/nexus further away from the resources, forcing longer-range mining and more emphasis on protection of supply lines.
WhistlingMtn
Profile Joined May 2010
United States190 Posts
June 14 2010 01:53 GMT
#29
Instead of doing mineral only, just make it have only 1 gas.
GreatestThreat
Profile Joined May 2010
United States631 Posts
June 14 2010 01:54 GMT
#30
I would love to see some maps with gas only expos. BW had plenty of those as I recall. You could have maps that start with only a single geyser in the main and like 12-14 mineral patches, and a natural with 3+ geysers and no minerals.

Okay might as well keep going and spout some random thoughts here, the ideas are flowing:



Maps with bases that have no actual chokepoints but are surrounded by an almost complete wall of destructible rocks.

Island maps with high ground plateaus and a sprawling low ground area instead of water/lava, just brimming with high yield minerals. No ramps anywhere.

Maps with extra minerals in the main locked behind destructible rocks.

Maps wracked by intermittent storms that deal damage to air units which aren't sheltered over specific areas.

A map that starts out as an island map with a sea between the two players bases, that slowly recedes over time revealing lower and lower tiers of cliff that meet in the middle at the bottom as the tide goes out.

A map completely spiderwebbed with LoS blocking doodads and a heavy amount of watchtowers. Perhaps overlap with the air-damaging storms for really intense scouting play.

Urban warfare maps with towering destructible buildings that can be knocked down to block off roads, dealing AoE damage when they collapse.

A map that starts out as open jungle with a volcano in the middle that erupts and sends lava streaming out in a few directions. Forest fires that deal AoE to ground slowly spread from the lava rivers and only stop when they reach barren/rocky ground like near the mains/expos.

Scavenger desert maps with very little resources in the bases, but have certain ruined pockets that can be "captured" to give you an immediate lump sum of minerals and gas.

Trench warfare maps with neutral "structures" of some sort, that can be loaded and fired out of like bunkers by any player. Also, mutually hostile minefields instead of destructible rocks. Cannon fodder units have to be sent through to clear them out or you can avoid them with detection and blink/drops/nydus.

LoS blockers that prevent air from seeing ground and vice versa, but not air from seeing air or ground from seeing ground.

Deep rivers that can be traversed by massive ground units, but not normal sized ones. Also, tank trap areas that only small units like marines/zealots/zerglings/workers can fit through. Patches of thick mud or quicksand that slow down any unit crossing it.

I'll come up with more, let me know what you think...
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Crazyeyes
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1342 Posts
June 14 2010 02:29 GMT
#31
ne could even create a map with like double the expansion points with half the minerals at each one. Insanely awesome possibilities in gameplay styles imo.

I think that's awesome. Would love this.

I also think that having to choose between optimal gas and optimal minerals, or anything like that, could be very interesting.

and all the 'not normal' ideas that GreatestThreat posted make me super excited for future SC2 maps. Shit's going to get pretty crazy ;D
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t3tsubo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada682 Posts
June 14 2010 02:39 GMT
#32
I'm not sure about some of those ideas, do you think there WILL ever even be tournament maps with triggers like the lava and receding water, AoE falling buildings? Those sound cool but they are too UMS-y IMO.
Ndugu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1078 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-14 20:23:51
June 14 2010 02:47 GMT
#33
The idea I loved most in this thread was water you can walk through, but that will damage your units.

Starcraft II needs more risk/reward. Want a quick march into your opponents main, in exchange for your units losing 20% of their health to get there and 20% again if they need to retreat?

Particularly if it could be coded that units wouldn't normally choose to path through it unless told specifically.

Could be very cool aesthetically as well.
monitor
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2408 Posts
June 15 2010 04:43 GMT
#34
Lol! Gas only expansions would be crazy... Very unorthodox but possibly interesting!

I suggest making a map with a bunch of interesting ideas and labeling it "test map"
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RageOverdose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States690 Posts
June 15 2010 05:15 GMT
#35
Gas-only expansions are not new, albeit I've only seen them in Blizzard maps from SC1.

I think that the focus on gas only expos is not a bad idea. Really, because of how important gas is with all the spell casters costing insane amounts of gas and the necessity of getting 2 geysers held with 6 workers each, have a difficult-to-hold rich geyser only expo with few or no minerals.

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