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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On March 24 2009 22:00 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: game 1 was better than any game Flash has ever played, and I say that as a big fan of both players and as a Terran player  I dunno about that... this play was pretty awesome. | ||
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
On March 28 2009 07:28 deathgodtoss wrote:#5 bisu. my god, what happened? you were simply dominating for the whole month, than comes where it matters the most. you lost in proleague against KTF. and you cannot blame snipers and map balances, we saw what jaedong doesnt matter the map or the competition... no excuses. and the osl. you didnt play bad.. fantasy was just that much more prepared. did you underestmate him? practicing for proleague? i dunno, but you fell apart where people NEEDED you to perform. i dunno, am i the only one who thinks it is more difficult for a protoss to overcome map imbalance than zerg, due to stark difference in the amount of options they have? protoss are almost forced to always play the same versus zerg, while zerg on the other hand have many options to turn to when standard vs standard is imbalanced. t>p maps p can proxy gates, proxy robo, proxy dt, nex first, dt drop... vs z they can... proxy gates, 2 gate, 1 gate, fe. and maybe the units too, jaedong mutas dont really care what map they are on. toss has storms and shuttles where player skill can make a real difference i guess? shuttles do give your opponent a lot of say in how effective they are though, good hydras are good. i could be wrong, but it seems like you still get a little more value out of your own skill on imbalanced maps for zerg compared to protoss. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On March 30 2009 21:44 Lachrymose wrote: i dunno, am i the only one who thinks it is more difficult for a protoss to overcome map imbalance than zerg, due to stark difference in the amount of options they have? protoss are almost forced to always play the same versus zerg, while zerg on the other hand have many options to turn to when standard vs standard is imbalanced. t>p maps p can proxy gates, proxy robo, proxy dt, nex first, dt drop... vs z they can... proxy gates, 2 gate, 1 gate, fe. and maybe the units too, jaedong mutas dont really care what map they are on. toss has storms and shuttles where player skill can make a real difference i guess? shuttles do give your opponent a lot of say in how effective they are though, good hydras are good. i could be wrong, but it seems like you still get a little more value out of your own skill on imbalanced maps for zerg compared to protoss. You have a wrong concept about Z>P maps. You think those maps are favoring zergs which have a natural wich is very hard to cover with cannons. That's true, but it's only one reason, and i think not even the most important one. Maybe the most important factor is the mineral/gas proportion. If a zerg can secure 3 gas base relatevly early, while the toss is on 2 base and there arent enough mineral patches the Zerg is already in a good position. Other factors are how difficult is to doomdrop the toss' main, wether the zergs can take advantage of their mobility, wheter is enough place to flank, wheter are positions which can be hold easely with storms, etc.... | ||
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
He shouldn't be #1 anymore, but I think he should still remain at least in the top 3. | ||
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + 1. Jaedong. Go look at the TLPD list of games, and then try to deny this with a straight face. 2. Luxury. MSL champion. I thought he played well in this MSL. 3. Jangbi. He played amazing to get to the MSL finals, but lost when it really counted. But I havn't given up hope on him yet. If it weren't for him, Nada might be holding his 4th MSL trophy right now. 4. Fantasy. He played very well in the OSL semis imo, he might be ranked higher if he manages to win the OSL. 5. Bisu. The all-kill vs Terran All-stars redeemed you from that OSL semifinal buddy. However, in terms of skill, I think Bisu is at least as good as Jangbi, if not better. He's just not performing to his maximum potential when it matters. 6. Stork. He is the only person other than Luxury to make the quarterfinal of both leagues. He got knocked out by the #1 and #3 of my PR, which is no shame. 7. Flash. He hasn't been great lately, but I still think he is the best Terran in the world (skill-wise, not performance-wise) 8. by.herO. Another semifinalist who got 3-0'd. I thought he showed some great stuff before the semifinal. 9. Skyhigh. WTF. 10. Zero. Last semifinalist who got 3-0'd. CNBC: Hiya, Iris, July, Savior | ||
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deathgodtoss
Korea (North)189 Posts
On March 30 2009 10:03 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: needs more SkyHigh. Also I dunno if it should count for anything but I was happy to see Stork almost all kill the Zerg all-stars when Bisu and Jangbi couldn't put a win up, so I def. think stork should be on the power rank 8's probably not a bad spot. i posted this before the WL finals | ||
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deathgodtoss
Korea (North)189 Posts
On March 31 2009 08:13 Sentenal wrote: Jaedong should be #1 IMO, but I don't think Bisu should really drop down to #5, especially since his loss was late season. If the OSL was still how it used to be, Bisu would be playing for 3rd place in the OSL right now, which isn't a bad place to finish at all (3rd place games don't exist anymore, so its a meh point). He played a really good game vs 815 in WL playoffs, and then got gayed on Destination. Fantasy 3-0ing him was really bad, and IMO that would be the only reason someone could use for dropping Bisu that far. I personally think that maps, and the fact it was a game between teammates make the loss not as sever, but getting raped 3-0 is bad regardless. But then Bisu all-killed the Terran Allstar team the other day. He shouldn't be #1 anymore, but I think he should still remain at least in the top 3. bisu shouldn't have even been in the osl, thanks to backho's bad back, he muscled his way in. for that, he was given great ranks last month, when he was playing like a beast~ unfortunately, right now, when it matters the most, he is not. the game against 815, the coaches even said was a gimme. they were planning on hoejja as the bisu sniper, and they succeeded (epic game though, i was throughly impressed by both players) and dropping out of the only league he was in, losing in proleague is the detriments against him. also, the people above him deserve their places. jaedong is a monster, a starcraft god, and if he just played straight up instead of 5 pool, i think he coulda all killed cj... but newayz i am digressing. luxury won the msl, he defintly deserves a spot at number 2, his play has been consistent... somethign that i never expceted out of him. fantasy deserved number 3 spot. he is playing fantastic in the osl, going through ridiculous opponents along the way, and simply outclassing them. jangbi made it to the finals. he played fantastic games up until that point. he was the only winning player on samsung team. the only thing i can fault him for is falling apart in the MSL finals, but i figure that is what samsung players do, keep the silver industry alive~. when flash dropped out of both leagues, he dropped quick.. even though bisu played well in the all stars event, i just cant justify it in my mind to place him over 2 osl finalists who are playing amazing, msl winner who played well and had great bo5s, msl finalists who went through some good bo5s. bisu.... he killed his teammate best, who is in a huge slump. he got knocked out the first bo5 he got into. he played well the previous month, but the power rank is about ability right now. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
Fantasy played great vs Bisu. Hes probably going to be raped by Jaedong, though. A 3-0 win vs Bisu isn't enough to put someone in the top 3. | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
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myrmidon2537
Philippines2188 Posts
On March 31 2009 14:47 fanatacist wrote: When will people stop spewing shit about Bisu's OSL WildCard qualification and come to terms with the fact that he had to go through a more rigorous bracket to enter the way he did than anyone else? Jesus Christ. not to mention 6-0 that bracket. | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
On March 31 2009 08:13 Sentenal wrote: Jaedong should be #1 IMO, but I don't think Bisu should really drop down to #5, especially since his loss was late season. If the OSL was still how it used to be, Bisu would be playing for 3rd place in the OSL right now, which isn't a bad place to finish at all (3rd place games don't exist anymore, so its a meh point). He played a really good game vs 815 in WL playoffs, and then got gayed on Destination. Fantasy 3-0ing him was really bad, and IMO that would be the only reason someone could use for dropping Bisu that far. I personally think that maps, and the fact it was a game between teammates make the loss not as sever, but getting raped 3-0 is bad regardless. But then Bisu all-killed the Terran Allstar team the other day. He shouldn't be #1 anymore, but I think he should still remain at least in the top 3. well, we don`t know if he would've won against by.hero to obtain the 3rd position | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On March 31 2009 20:30 Jaeden wrote: well, we don`t know if he would've won against by.hero to obtain the 3rd position that's right hero has his number, and incredible fast hands, i'm looking forward for him, could he be on the PR this month? | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
On March 31 2009 20:56 Geo.Rion wrote: that's right hero has his number, and incredible fast hands, i'm looking forward for him, could he be on the PR this month? I don't think his run was that impressive and apm isn't everything, this series to me would be the deciding factor between PR or no PR. | ||
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Hugo(Sphere)
United States44 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
He obviously had an off day vs fantasy and fantasy played really well. He wins almost everything, then have a bad day and lose some games, then start winning again. Imo it would be too harsh even lowering him 2 spots. His records speak for themselves, and his latest showdowns vs the best terrans and the best zerg indicates that he's still the best protoss and definately top 2 or 3 in my book atleast, with Jaedong above him. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On March 31 2009 20:30 Jaeden wrote: well, we don`t know if he would've won against by.hero to obtain the 3rd position True, but at least he would have had the chance to play for the 3rd position. Basically my point was that a 3rd or 4th place finish in the OSL isn't that bad. | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
On April 01 2009 03:39 Sentenal wrote: True, but at least he would have had the chance to play for the 3rd position. Basically my point was that a 3rd or 4th place finish in the OSL isn't that bad. well he is top4 even without the 3rd place finals ^^ and yeah, Top4 ain`t bad and I also agree with what Stylish said, bisu is still kickin` asses. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On April 01 2009 02:21 StylishVODs wrote: Considering powerrank should also be a somewhat accurate ranking of the strongest players atm, putting bisu anywhere below top 3 would be just wrong. He obviously had an off day vs fantasy and fantasy played really well. He wins almost everything, then have a bad day and lose some games, then start winning again. Imo it would be too harsh even lowering him 2 spots. His records speak for themselves, and his latest showdowns vs the best terrans and the best zerg indicates that he's still the best protoss and definately top 2 or 3 in my book atleast, with Jaedong above him. The strongest players don't exit the league 0 - 3 and fail in WL . Jaedong and Luxury should be #1 and # 2 , after that you can shuffle Fantasy/JangBi/Bisu . I think Fantasy should be # 3 , because he still has something to prove . After that Bisu , because he performed well in the special event against terrans , not that JangBi wouldn't have demolished them , but still props to Bisu . | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
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