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On March 22 2009 07:20 Darth Peter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2009 02:52 Lockon Stratos wrote:On March 21 2009 19:07 Jaeden wrote:On March 21 2009 09:40 Lockon Stratos wrote:
The 3-0 wasn't a joke, so why would my statement be? it's just in one bo5, wth Flash didn't get any special treatment when he got knocked from both leagues, why should Bisu? If it was a close 3-2 the story might be different but a 3-0? Yea no there's no excuse. Way to waste the chance Backho gave you, get knocked out of OSL twice. When Bisu previously and Flash most recently didn't get any special treatment,the things were different. Who would you place above Bisu just yet? Flash? He didn't do anything yet. I agree that Jd,if he doesn't fail against Hero and in the finals,Luxury should be above Bisu. But who else? Jangbi? He failed too. He lost in the MSL in an unimpressive fashion too. Fantasy? That can still be debated if he wins the OSL,but otherwise,Bisu's overall performance is still better at this point in time. Yeah,Bisu sucked in the semis,but most of the players didn't even get there. So why should he drop to 5? 4 at worst.
bisu losing 3-0 will hurt him alot. poor performance can be excusable in a proleague game, but not in a semifinals match. yes, fantasy played really well, and that should be taken into account. but bisu just did not look like bisu that round. there's no way he can stay at the top after that. perhaps he'll still be in the top 3, but definitely not #1
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On March 22 2009 15:22 Harem wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Well, I think #1 is just about locked up now. ~_~
I agree for now but there's still about two weeks to go (plus extra delay time, which I will just call "overtime") including the remainder of the OSL and a match against CJ. Plenty can happen in that time. Remember that Bisu got dropped to #5 because he lost to by.hero during the overtime.
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jaedong did allkill vs ktf ( vs HoeJJa, forGG, flash and luxury who recently won msl )
he should be #1
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On March 22 2009 02:52 Lockon Stratos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2009 19:07 Jaeden wrote:On March 21 2009 09:40 Lockon Stratos wrote:
The 3-0 wasn't a joke, so why would my statement be? it's just in one bo5, wth Flash didn't get any special treatment when he got knocked from both leagues, why should Bisu? If it was a close 3-2 the story might be different but a 3-0? Yea no there's no excuse. Way to waste the chance Backho gave you, get knocked out of OSL twice.
I wasn`t arguing about Bisu. But c`mon Fantasy can`t be #1!
,also:On March 22 2009 18:40 xgtx wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
jaedong did allkill vs ktf ( vs HoeJJa, forGG, flash and luxury who recently won msl )
he should be #1
spoiler pls
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On March 22 2009 15:22 Harem wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Well, I think #1 is just about locked up now. ~_~
Unless by.hero rapes the OSL silly :D
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Winner of OSL - #1
Jaedong (at least #2)
Lux - #3
Fantasy (in case of winning OSL #1, otherwise #4)
Bisu - #5 or #4
#6 some random CJ guy who performed well in the WL finals OR JangBi
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On March 22 2009 20:19 disciple wrote:
Winner of OSL - #1
Jaedong (at least #2)
Lux - #3
Fantasy (in case of winning OSL #1, otherwise #4)
Bisu - #5 or #4
#6 some random CJ guy who performed well in the WL finals OR JangBi
What about JangBi man i know he went 1 - 3 against Luxury and got another silver , but the maps were bad for protoss and he is still an excellent player . In anycase i think he should be above fantasy unless Fantasy wins the finals or plays spectacular games in it , because i think that JangBi is better then Fantasy .
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jaedong
luxury (this pains me, and not for bisu as my icon may suggest)
bisu
fantasy
jangbi
if fantasy wins the osl he should jump 1-2 places depending on how he plays.
i dont think jaedong losing, even to by.hero, should drop him from #1. it would take something pretty horrible to put lux ahead of him at this point.
as for spoilers, isnt it kind of implied in a thread where people are discussing the relative strenght of progamers?
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Jaedong is #1 for me unless Jaedong drops the OSL and Lux All Kills in the upcoming ZvP show match. Jaedong's play is amazing, I am so happy to be following him right now.
Ah Flash please get your act together so we can have a real rivalry.
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Jaedong is the best. Lux should get higher instead of dropping down as many would expect.
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On March 22 2009 20:30 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2009 20:19 disciple wrote:
Winner of OSL - #1
Jaedong (at least #2)
Lux - #3
Fantasy (in case of winning OSL #1, otherwise #4)
Bisu - #5 or #4
#6 some random CJ guy who performed well in the WL finals OR JangBi What about JangBi man i know he went 1 - 3 against Luxury and got another silver , but the maps were bad for protoss and he is still an excellent player . In anycase i think he should be above fantasy unless Fantasy wins the finals or plays spectacular games in it , because i think that JangBi is better then Fantasy .
yep, true, dont drop jangbi too low, he only wants to beat Stork in the silver-contest too
EDIT: i wonder what will be Flash's rank? He pretty much dropped the ball every time it mattered for the past 2 months
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On March 22 2009 20:30 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2009 20:19 disciple wrote:
Winner of OSL - #1
Jaedong (at least #2)
Lux - #3
Fantasy (in case of winning OSL #1, otherwise #4)
Bisu - #5 or #4
#6 some random CJ guy who performed well in the WL finals OR JangBi What about JangBi man i know he went 1 - 3 against Luxury and got another silver , but the maps were bad for protoss and he is still an excellent player . In anycase i think he should be above fantasy unless Fantasy wins the finals or plays spectacular games in it , because i think that JangBi is better then Fantasy .
Meh both JangBi and Bisu are blowing recently, but KTY contributed a hole lot to SKT's WL performance compared to JangBi. Fantasy is showing great skill in all MUs, its not only the series vs Bisu, but he came back from a game behind against lux in OSL, and managed to take out Flash in the playoff match, so the kid is really doing great.
It just happened that lux got to play a semifinal in his best MU and then beat the choking JangBi on zerg friendly maps. Not that I'm discrediting him, he is actually doing very good, but fantasy versed harder opponents and all in all had a slightly better month than lux. But no doubt JD is the best player right now
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Assuming Jaedong beats by.hero, I think he's #1 even if he loses to fantasy. But based on the series against KTF, it would take a serious drop in his play to lose to fantasy. No disrespect to fantasy, but Jaedong is playing absurd right now.
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If Flash is even on the next power rank it'll just be because the top 5 won everything worth winning this month and blocked anyone else out.
I am the biggest Flash fan in the world and it really bums me out, but he's been playing stubborn and rigid. That needs to change. I still think he's the best player in the world mechanically, but man... let's hope he steps up his game soon.
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Jaedong is playing amazingly well right now. There is no doubt that he is number 1. Only if he played really really slopy on the OSL... then maybe he could be number 2. Bisu, on the other hand, should be ranked much lower in my opinion. At least, 4th behind Jaedong, Luxury and Fantasy.
Edit: Also, I think we definitely should see by.hero on the top 10 this month.
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Jangbi should be in top 4 definantly.
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I disagree with Bisu dropping that much. Yeah he got out of OSL because of Fantasy but teammate games are always unpredictable, they know their playing styles etc. Either way, one loss out of one league doesn't merit him dropping down to rank 5.
My current top 5 PR
1. Jaedong
2. Luxury
3. Bisu
4. Fantasy
5. Jangbi
Well, Jaedong is first because he single handedly broke down the three titans of KTF, and has had positive results since last month. As long as he doesn't lose to by.Hero and get kicked out of OSL (which he won't), he will go to OSL finals verses Fantasy. Someone who was 2nd place last month who performed excellent during the time when 1st place PR player does bad means the 2nd placed player goes up a slot logically.
Luxury, although he won MSL, his opponents he beat weren't exactly pure S class. Luxury even himself admitted that he still has a lot of catching up to do against Jaedong to represent the #1 Zerg player, and I'm sad that he can't become #1 in PR even though he won a league like other players in previous months.
Bisu, disappointing but dropped out of OSL. 3 losses from his teammate are bad but he's done so well lately that those 3 losses aren't influencing enough to drop him further down from #3.
Fantasy, he has been performing excellent this month. Actually he's been doing hotter than Lux, but I wanted to put Lux up there because he won a finals. Fantasy took down Flash recently, and took Lux out of OSL. Bisu out of MSL. I'm sure Fantasy can be ranked a little higher but rank 4 is the minimum for this guy. I'm a bit hesitant about him because he wasn't even in the top 10 last PR.
Jangbi, I feel sympathy for this guy for losing and him being depressed but he's not doing as hot as he was last month. He 3-0'd Stork, but according to Stork, Jangbi always beats him in practice games, so I really think he had a psychological edge over Stork to start with. Beating Nada in MSL is an achievement but its neither an underachievement or overachievement. Nada seems to be consistent but I don't regard him as S class gamer nowadays, he just plays well enough to qualify into leagues and gets torn up in them. Its been like this for a while now.
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AzureEye: Did you even watch Jangbi vs Nada or Stork?
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On March 22 2009 20:19 disciple wrote:
Winner of OSL - #1
Jaedong (at least #2)
Lux - #3
Fantasy (in case of winning OSL #1, otherwise #4)
Bisu - #5 or #4
#6 some random CJ guy who performed well in the WL finals OR JangBi
even if by.hero somehow wins?
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