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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-20 05:14:29
March 20 2009 05:12 GMT
#341
Actually, Bisu is PvT 21 wins - 3 losses (87.50%) in his past 24 games....

~3 losses being to Flash, Iris and Light... who were all pretty hot at one time or another.
~Quality wins over Flash (x3), Mind (x2), Light, Leta, Piano, Hiya, Lomo
~Rapes of Hwasin (x2), FBH (x3), Skyhigh (x3), Sea (x2)

That's pretty wins over much EVERY quality Terran player who is actively playing starcraft.

I don't think it's a stretch to say his PvT is better than JangBi's right now. ALTHOUGH JangBi has definitely been playing PvT better for a longer stretch of time.


Also, here's hoping that he can 3-0 fantasy tonight...
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Wasabi
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States3085 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-20 06:08:14
March 20 2009 06:07 GMT
#342
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
March 20 2009 06:14 GMT
#343
On March 20 2009 06:11 Mooncat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2009 03:45 zhaoli86 wrote:
since oct 08, bisu is 84% vs t, jangbi is 80% vs t
Bisu has slight edge, and his opponents have been tougher too.


Opponent toughness isn't measured by their names. It depends on how they're playing. If you see JangBi - NaDa 3:2 you might think "oh, JangBi's PvT is looking a little shaky", but if you've actually seen NaDa play you realize he played some S-Class TvP in that series and I'm pretty sure any other protoss would have lost that series.

This was of course only an example. But the same goes for many other games. Furthermore, it's not only the winning percentage you have to take into account. You also have to consider how every single game went individually. Was the opponent completely dismantled, or was it close? Did both players underperform, but one a littler harder than the other? Etc.

You can't really compare two players' strength in a certain match-up that way.


Nice post Mooncat, you are totally correct. Any other protoss was dead meat against Nada in that series.

The logic "Nada hasnt been so hot lately and jangbi barely beat him therefore Bisu's PvT is better" baffles me.
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samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-20 11:07:49
March 20 2009 11:03 GMT
#344
+ Show Spoiler +
Fantasy is in the new PR Right? That was one hell of a rape, he made bisu look like a bnet pubbie.


On March 20 2009 14:12 eshlow wrote:
Actually, Bisu is PvT 21 wins - 3 losses (87.50%) in his past 24 games....

~3 losses being to Flash, Iris and Light... who were all pretty hot at one time or another.
~Quality wins over Flash (x3), Mind (x2), Light, Leta, Piano, Hiya, Lomo
~Rapes of Hwasin (x2), FBH (x3), Skyhigh (x3), Sea (x2)

That's pretty wins over much EVERY quality Terran player who is actively playing starcraft.

I don't think it's a stretch to say his PvT is better than JangBi's right now. ALTHOUGH JangBi has definitely been playing PvT better for a longer stretch of time.


Also, here's hoping that he can 3-0 fantasy tonight...


+ Show Spoiler +
I predicted a 3-0 too in bisu's favour. But Fantasy stepped up his game tonight and has shown that Jangbi is the best PvT right now, Fantasy also pushed Jangbi to his limits except jangbi won. Fantasy is a pretty strong series player, Im hoping for a good finals.
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
March 20 2009 11:22 GMT
#345
The S-Class PvT'er + Show Spoiler +
beat Nada last week
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Marines > everything
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
March 20 2009 11:28 GMT
#346
On March 20 2009 20:03 samachking wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Fantasy is in the new PR Right? That was one hell of a rape, he made bisu look like a bnet pubbie.


Show nested quote +
On March 20 2009 14:12 eshlow wrote:
Actually, Bisu is PvT 21 wins - 3 losses (87.50%) in his past 24 games....

~3 losses being to Flash, Iris and Light... who were all pretty hot at one time or another.
~Quality wins over Flash (x3), Mind (x2), Light, Leta, Piano, Hiya, Lomo
~Rapes of Hwasin (x2), FBH (x3), Skyhigh (x3), Sea (x2)

That's pretty wins over much EVERY quality Terran player who is actively playing starcraft.

I don't think it's a stretch to say his PvT is better than JangBi's right now. ALTHOUGH JangBi has definitely been playing PvT better for a longer stretch of time.


Also, here's hoping that he can 3-0 fantasy tonight...


+ Show Spoiler +
I predicted a 3-0 too in bisu's favour. But Fantasy stepped up his game tonight and has shown that Jangbi is the best PvT right now, Fantasy also pushed Jangbi to his limits except jangbi won. Fantasy is a pretty strong series player, Im hoping for a good finals.


+ Show Spoiler +
Yup.. fantasy proved he could play tonight.

I'm disappointed there will be no Bisu Jaedong OSL final....

But we'll see if fantasy can take his tvz to the next level.

I don't even wanna think about what will happen if Hero beats Jaedong.
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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
March 20 2009 11:56 GMT
#347
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fun fact: all 3 semifinals which were played in the SLs this season were 3-0
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
iloahz
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States964 Posts
March 20 2009 14:54 GMT
#348
+ Show Spoiler +
fantasy reaches OSL final AGAIN, by beating bisu 3 0, with one of the toughest OSL roads ever, beating Leta, By.hero Luxury and Bisu on the way. He should probably appear on the next PR
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
March 20 2009 14:56 GMT
#349
I wanted to comment on the Jangbi vs Bisu PvT thing after this OSL match. But now that it's over, ironically enough there's no longer a need to do so.
Meh
wswordsmen
Profile Joined October 2007
United States987 Posts
March 20 2009 15:14 GMT
#350
On March 20 2009 14:12 eshlow wrote:
Actually, Bisu is PvT 21 wins - 3 losses (87.50%) in his past 24 games....

~3 losses being to Flash, Iris and Light... who were all pretty hot at one time or another.
~Quality wins over Flash (x3), Mind (x2), Light, Leta, Piano, Hiya, Lomo
~Rapes of Hwasin (x2), FBH (x3), Skyhigh (x3), Sea (x2)

That's pretty wins over much EVERY quality Terran player who is actively playing starcraft.

I don't think it's a stretch to say his PvT is better than JangBi's right now. ALTHOUGH JangBi has definitely been playing PvT better for a longer stretch of time.


Also, here's hoping that he can 3-0 fantasy tonight...

While this post is now out of date due to Bisu vs. Fantasy, I have to call you out. You are giving Bisu all his wins back to and not including his loss to FBH, there is no reason for that if you wanted back to this time in October it would be 20-3, if you wanted October 1st then it would be 21-4, the numbers didn't change that much but the important thing is you cheery picked dates to make Bisu look the best he could.
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
March 20 2009 15:18 GMT
#351
Please Fantasy on the PR next month
PLEASEEE
i dont think anyone could take a bo5 from Bisu
let alone bisu on fire
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Calyx
Profile Joined January 2009
United States49 Posts
March 20 2009 16:03 GMT
#352
On March 21 2009 00:18 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
Please Fantasy on the PR next month
PLEASEEE
i dont think anyone could take a bo5 from Bisu
let alone bisu on fire


Bisu may have been burning, but Fantasy seems to have discovered napalm...

His play in that series was ridiculous.
Your mind has been transported back in time... and to Mars.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
March 20 2009 16:37 GMT
#353
On March 21 2009 01:03 Calyx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2009 00:18 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
Please Fantasy on the PR next month
PLEASEEE
i dont think anyone could take a bo5 from Bisu
let alone bisu on fire


Bisu may have been burning, but Fantasy seems to have discovered napalm...

His play in that series was ridiculous.


and Bisu's gamesense was lacking here and there, let's not forgot that
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-20 19:32:06
March 20 2009 18:55 GMT
#354
On March 21 2009 01:37 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2009 01:03 Calyx wrote:
On March 21 2009 00:18 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
Please Fantasy on the PR next month
PLEASEEE
i dont think anyone could take a bo5 from Bisu
let alone bisu on fire


Bisu may have been burning, but Fantasy seems to have discovered napalm...

His play in that series was ridiculous.


and Bisu's gamesense was lacking here and there, let's not forgot that


+ Show Spoiler +
I woudn't take anything away from Fantasy , but yeah Bisu played pretty poorly ... First game stupid 2 base carrier build that got demolished . Second game basic scouting error ... Third game apply pressure without a good follow-up plan .... Bisu should have beated Fantasy at least on 1 map to assure the medusa game ... Maps weren't heavy imbalanced towards terran so there wasn't much of an excuse . Overall a pretty bad performance by Bisu ....


Stork won last OSL against Fantasy 2 of his wins were on chupung were Bisu did a retarded carrier build . I hope this proves once and for all that when you take out the fanboyism Stork and JangBi >>Bisu in PvT . They just have an aura of invincibility in the MU when they are playing at a decent level . Bisu althought he looked pretty damn invincible in the MU most of his games are on Medusa or vs bad or in a slump players excluding Flash .
It might also be the case that the quality of TvP has been reducing for no logical reason . It seems like the only players that can TvP for dear life are Fantasy , Flash , Nada , and maybe Light and Hiya in WL . Of course Iris and Skyhigh are always a thread also , but i haven't seen a terran beat good protoss in a series since forever (excluding Bisu vs Fantasy ) .
The good old days where Flash ForGG and even Mind were demolishing protoss seems to long ago .
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-20 19:36:59
March 20 2009 19:30 GMT
#355
On March 21 2009 00:18 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
Please Fantasy on the PR next month
PLEASEEE
i dont think anyone could take a bo5 from Bisu
let alone bisu on fire


He could skyrocked in to first place with the right circumstances althought i think that both the MSL finalists are better then him , even thought Fantasy squeezed out a win against Luxury i still think Luxury is the better player and JangBi of course too . Luxury even took his revenge on Fantasy in WL playoffs .
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
March 20 2009 21:08 GMT
#356
I kinda thought Hwasin was making a little comeback, but then Luxury punched him in the dick and took his lunch money. He played an inspired first game, and then got his fudge packed in like he's Willy Wonka and the warehouse is full.

LOL WTF. I did not notice that until just now. God damn that made me laugh so hard!
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
Lockon Stratos
Profile Joined February 2009
United States126 Posts
March 20 2009 22:51 GMT
#357
uhhh fantasy for #1 next month of course, Bisu to #5.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
March 20 2009 23:15 GMT
#358
Just clarifying, you meant that as a joke, right?
Jaedong
Lockon Stratos
Profile Joined February 2009
United States126 Posts
March 21 2009 00:40 GMT
#359
The 3-0 wasn't a joke, so why would my statement be?
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
March 21 2009 00:49 GMT
#360
On March 21 2009 00:14 wswordsmen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2009 14:12 eshlow wrote:
Actually, Bisu is PvT 21 wins - 3 losses (87.50%) in his past 24 games....

~3 losses being to Flash, Iris and Light... who were all pretty hot at one time or another.
~Quality wins over Flash (x3), Mind (x2), Light, Leta, Piano, Hiya, Lomo
~Rapes of Hwasin (x2), FBH (x3), Skyhigh (x3), Sea (x2)

That's pretty wins over much EVERY quality Terran player who is actively playing starcraft.

I don't think it's a stretch to say his PvT is better than JangBi's right now. ALTHOUGH JangBi has definitely been playing PvT better for a longer stretch of time.


Also, here's hoping that he can 3-0 fantasy tonight...

While this post is now out of date due to Bisu vs. Fantasy, I have to call you out. You are giving Bisu all his wins back to and not including his loss to FBH, there is no reason for that if you wanted back to this time in October it would be 20-3, if you wanted October 1st then it would be 21-4, the numbers didn't change that much but the important thing is you cheery picked dates to make Bisu look the best he could.


There's nothing wrong with cherry picking here. Oct 1 is a cherry picked date too. What's the point of me or you choosing Oct 1 over something like Oct 15th?

If you're looking at the best "streaks" or records a player has gone on it's always going to be cherry picking for stat periods where they had a strong win streak. It just so happens that after the FBH game for whatever reason he got super hot... and remember he later obliterated FBH 3-0 later in ClubDay.

I don't think your criticism has any merit.
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