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On March 21 2009 03:55 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2009 01:37 Geo.Rion wrote:On March 21 2009 01:03 Calyx wrote:On March 21 2009 00:18 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
Please Fantasy on the PR next month
PLEASEEE
i dont think anyone could take a bo5 from Bisu
let alone bisu on fire Bisu may have been burning, but Fantasy seems to have discovered napalm... His play in that series was ridiculous. and Bisu's gamesense was lacking here and there, let's not forgot that + Show Spoiler + I woudn't take anything away from Fantasy , but yeah Bisu played pretty poorly ... First game stupid 2 base carrier build that got demolished . Second game basic scouting error ... Third game apply pressure without a good follow-up plan .... Bisu should have beated Fantasy at least on 1 map to assure the medusa game ... Maps weren't heavy imbalanced towards terran so there wasn't much of an excuse . Overall a pretty bad performance by Bisu .... Stork won last OSL against Fantasy 2 of his wins were on chupung were Bisu did a retarded carrier build . I hope this proves once and for all that when you take out the fanboyism Stork and JangBi >>Bisu in PvT . They just have an aura of invincibility in the MU when they are playing at a decent level . Bisu althought he looked pretty damn invincible in the MU most of his games are on Medusa or vs bad or in a slump players excluding Flash . It might also be the case that the quality of TvP has been reducing for no logical reason . It seems like the only players that can TvP for dear life are Fantasy , Flash , Nada , and maybe Light and Hiya in WL . Of course Iris and Skyhigh are always a thread also , but i haven't seen a terran beat good protoss in a series since forever (excluding Bisu vs Fantasy ) . The good old days where Flash ForGG and even Mind were demolishing protoss seems to long ago .
Current Stork's PvT is not better than Bisu's PvT. Jangbi's PvT is. I don't think there is a huge gap between any of their skill levels the matchup. Not to defend Bisu, but sometimes people play poorly, or other people play really well. Of course that's a credit to Fantasy, and a knock on Bisu, but shit happens. Plus since it was match between teammates, it got even weirder, due to practice issues. Props to Fantasy, but I don't think you look at Bisu getting raped, and say his PvT is significantly worse than someone like Jangbi or Stork.
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I'm just glad Terrans are finally making finals again.
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On March 21 2009 11:12 Sprite wrote:
I'm just glad Terrans are finally making finals again.
That doesn't even make sense. Fantasy made the OSL finals last season...
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On March 21 2009 09:56 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2009 03:55 raga4ka wrote:On March 21 2009 01:37 Geo.Rion wrote:On March 21 2009 01:03 Calyx wrote:On March 21 2009 00:18 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
Please Fantasy on the PR next month
PLEASEEE
i dont think anyone could take a bo5 from Bisu
let alone bisu on fire Bisu may have been burning, but Fantasy seems to have discovered napalm... His play in that series was ridiculous. and Bisu's gamesense was lacking here and there, let's not forgot that + Show Spoiler + I woudn't take anything away from Fantasy , but yeah Bisu played pretty poorly ... First game stupid 2 base carrier build that got demolished . Second game basic scouting error ... Third game apply pressure without a good follow-up plan .... Bisu should have beated Fantasy at least on 1 map to assure the medusa game ... Maps weren't heavy imbalanced towards terran so there wasn't much of an excuse . Overall a pretty bad performance by Bisu .... Stork won last OSL against Fantasy 2 of his wins were on chupung were Bisu did a retarded carrier build . I hope this proves once and for all that when you take out the fanboyism Stork and JangBi >>Bisu in PvT . They just have an aura of invincibility in the MU when they are playing at a decent level . Bisu althought he looked pretty damn invincible in the MU most of his games are on Medusa or vs bad or in a slump players excluding Flash . It might also be the case that the quality of TvP has been reducing for no logical reason . It seems like the only players that can TvP for dear life are Fantasy , Flash , Nada , and maybe Light and Hiya in WL . Of course Iris and Skyhigh are always a thread also , but i haven't seen a terran beat good protoss in a series since forever (excluding Bisu vs Fantasy ) . The good old days where Flash ForGG and even Mind were demolishing protoss seems to long ago . Current Stork's PvT is not better than Bisu's PvT. Jangbi's PvT is. I don't think there is a huge gap between any of their skill levels the matchup. Not to defend Bisu, but sometimes people play poorly, or other people play really well. Of course that's a credit to Fantasy, and a knock on Bisu, but shit happens. Plus since it was match between teammates, it got even weirder, due to practice issues. Props to Fantasy, but I don't think you look at Bisu getting raped, and say his PvT is significantly worse than someone like Jangbi or Stork.
I don't think it's a stretch to say Samsung tosses are just a level above everyone else in the matchup. Both Jangbi and Stork inherently understand PvT better than anyone else. And since Jangbi has S-class mechanics to back up that knowledge, he has the best PvT in the world right now.
Stork is weird because he's really losing it recently in terms of control. Horrible large army control and generally bad micro. But in terms of understanding the MU and knows how to play on on terran favored maps, he is the best in the game. Although Much is up there too, although he doesn't get played anymore. 
Bisu's PvT is basically good when the situation is advantageous or even. But he can't fight any uphill battles.
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On March 21 2009 11:54 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2009 09:56 Sentenal wrote:On March 21 2009 03:55 raga4ka wrote:On March 21 2009 01:37 Geo.Rion wrote:On March 21 2009 01:03 Calyx wrote:On March 21 2009 00:18 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
Please Fantasy on the PR next month
PLEASEEE
i dont think anyone could take a bo5 from Bisu
let alone bisu on fire Bisu may have been burning, but Fantasy seems to have discovered napalm... His play in that series was ridiculous. and Bisu's gamesense was lacking here and there, let's not forgot that + Show Spoiler + I woudn't take anything away from Fantasy , but yeah Bisu played pretty poorly ... First game stupid 2 base carrier build that got demolished . Second game basic scouting error ... Third game apply pressure without a good follow-up plan .... Bisu should have beated Fantasy at least on 1 map to assure the medusa game ... Maps weren't heavy imbalanced towards terran so there wasn't much of an excuse . Overall a pretty bad performance by Bisu .... Stork won last OSL against Fantasy 2 of his wins were on chupung were Bisu did a retarded carrier build . I hope this proves once and for all that when you take out the fanboyism Stork and JangBi >>Bisu in PvT . They just have an aura of invincibility in the MU when they are playing at a decent level . Bisu althought he looked pretty damn invincible in the MU most of his games are on Medusa or vs bad or in a slump players excluding Flash . It might also be the case that the quality of TvP has been reducing for no logical reason . It seems like the only players that can TvP for dear life are Fantasy , Flash , Nada , and maybe Light and Hiya in WL . Of course Iris and Skyhigh are always a thread also , but i haven't seen a terran beat good protoss in a series since forever (excluding Bisu vs Fantasy ) . The good old days where Flash ForGG and even Mind were demolishing protoss seems to long ago . Current Stork's PvT is not better than Bisu's PvT. Jangbi's PvT is. I don't think there is a huge gap between any of their skill levels the matchup. Not to defend Bisu, but sometimes people play poorly, or other people play really well. Of course that's a credit to Fantasy, and a knock on Bisu, but shit happens. Plus since it was match between teammates, it got even weirder, due to practice issues. Props to Fantasy, but I don't think you look at Bisu getting raped, and say his PvT is significantly worse than someone like Jangbi or Stork. I don't think it's a stretch to say Samsung tosses are just a level above everyone else in the matchup. Both Jangbi and Stork inherently understand PvT better than anyone else. And since Jangbi has S-class mechanics to back up that knowledge, he has the best PvT in the world right now. Stork is weird because he's really losing it recently in terms of control. Horrible large army control and generally bad micro. But in terms of understanding the MU and knows how to play on on terran favored maps, he is the best in the game. Although Much is up there too, although he doesn't get played anymore. Bisu's PvT is basically good when the situation is advantageous or even. But he can't fight any uphill battles.
I don't know how you can say "Bisu can't fight uphill battles PvT". Sure he can. You remember his series vs Flash, in GOMs2? In particular the game on Chypong? That was an up-hill battle, no? Against Flash no less. You won't hear me trying to say that Bisu's PvT is as good as Jangbi's, but I don't think when Bisu goes 21-7 since Clubday MSL in PvT translates to "only good when the situation is advantageous". I'd call it damn good overall PvT.
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On March 21 2009 13:14 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2009 11:54 baubo wrote:On March 21 2009 09:56 Sentenal wrote:On March 21 2009 03:55 raga4ka wrote:On March 21 2009 01:37 Geo.Rion wrote:On March 21 2009 01:03 Calyx wrote:On March 21 2009 00:18 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
Please Fantasy on the PR next month
PLEASEEE
i dont think anyone could take a bo5 from Bisu
let alone bisu on fire Bisu may have been burning, but Fantasy seems to have discovered napalm... His play in that series was ridiculous. and Bisu's gamesense was lacking here and there, let's not forgot that + Show Spoiler + I woudn't take anything away from Fantasy , but yeah Bisu played pretty poorly ... First game stupid 2 base carrier build that got demolished . Second game basic scouting error ... Third game apply pressure without a good follow-up plan .... Bisu should have beated Fantasy at least on 1 map to assure the medusa game ... Maps weren't heavy imbalanced towards terran so there wasn't much of an excuse . Overall a pretty bad performance by Bisu .... Stork won last OSL against Fantasy 2 of his wins were on chupung were Bisu did a retarded carrier build . I hope this proves once and for all that when you take out the fanboyism Stork and JangBi >>Bisu in PvT . They just have an aura of invincibility in the MU when they are playing at a decent level . Bisu althought he looked pretty damn invincible in the MU most of his games are on Medusa or vs bad or in a slump players excluding Flash . It might also be the case that the quality of TvP has been reducing for no logical reason . It seems like the only players that can TvP for dear life are Fantasy , Flash , Nada , and maybe Light and Hiya in WL . Of course Iris and Skyhigh are always a thread also , but i haven't seen a terran beat good protoss in a series since forever (excluding Bisu vs Fantasy ) . The good old days where Flash ForGG and even Mind were demolishing protoss seems to long ago . Current Stork's PvT is not better than Bisu's PvT. Jangbi's PvT is. I don't think there is a huge gap between any of their skill levels the matchup. Not to defend Bisu, but sometimes people play poorly, or other people play really well. Of course that's a credit to Fantasy, and a knock on Bisu, but shit happens. Plus since it was match between teammates, it got even weirder, due to practice issues. Props to Fantasy, but I don't think you look at Bisu getting raped, and say his PvT is significantly worse than someone like Jangbi or Stork. I don't think it's a stretch to say Samsung tosses are just a level above everyone else in the matchup. Both Jangbi and Stork inherently understand PvT better than anyone else. And since Jangbi has S-class mechanics to back up that knowledge, he has the best PvT in the world right now. Stork is weird because he's really losing it recently in terms of control. Horrible large army control and generally bad micro. But in terms of understanding the MU and knows how to play on on terran favored maps, he is the best in the game. Although Much is up there too, although he doesn't get played anymore. Bisu's PvT is basically good when the situation is advantageous or even. But he can't fight any uphill battles. I don't know how you can say "Bisu can't fight uphill battles PvT". Sure he can. You remember his series vs Flash, in GOMs2? In particular the game on Chypong? That was an up-hill battle, no? Against Flash no less. You won't hear me trying to say that Bisu's PvT is as good as Jangbi's, but I don't think when Bisu goes 21-7 since Clubday MSL in PvT translates to "only good when the situation is advantageous". I'd call it damn good overall PvT.
You mean the one where Flash went for a 6 fac push which he handled horribly? I can't remember the details, but I believe I was wondering why Flash played so badly.
Edit: Was Bisu even in trouble that game? It started off standard if I'm not mistaken.
Example of toss fighting uphill battle would be like Stork playing Flash on Harmony where Flash was shelling his base for half the game. Or when Stork actually took out Nada on RH3 the PvT graveyard.
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On March 21 2009 09:56 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2009 03:55 raga4ka wrote:On March 21 2009 01:37 Geo.Rion wrote:On March 21 2009 01:03 Calyx wrote:On March 21 2009 00:18 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
Please Fantasy on the PR next month
PLEASEEE
i dont think anyone could take a bo5 from Bisu
let alone bisu on fire Bisu may have been burning, but Fantasy seems to have discovered napalm... His play in that series was ridiculous. and Bisu's gamesense was lacking here and there, let's not forgot that + Show Spoiler + I woudn't take anything away from Fantasy , but yeah Bisu played pretty poorly ... First game stupid 2 base carrier build that got demolished . Second game basic scouting error ... Third game apply pressure without a good follow-up plan .... Bisu should have beated Fantasy at least on 1 map to assure the medusa game ... Maps weren't heavy imbalanced towards terran so there wasn't much of an excuse . Overall a pretty bad performance by Bisu .... Stork won last OSL against Fantasy 2 of his wins were on chupung were Bisu did a retarded carrier build . I hope this proves once and for all that when you take out the fanboyism Stork and JangBi >>Bisu in PvT . They just have an aura of invincibility in the MU when they are playing at a decent level . Bisu althought he looked pretty damn invincible in the MU most of his games are on Medusa or vs bad or in a slump players excluding Flash . It might also be the case that the quality of TvP has been reducing for no logical reason . It seems like the only players that can TvP for dear life are Fantasy , Flash , Nada , and maybe Light and Hiya in WL . Of course Iris and Skyhigh are always a thread also , but i haven't seen a terran beat good protoss in a series since forever (excluding Bisu vs Fantasy ) . The good old days where Flash ForGG and even Mind were demolishing protoss seems to long ago . Current Stork's PvT is not better than Bisu's PvT. Jangbi's PvT is. I don't think there is a huge gap between any of their skill levels the matchup. Not to defend Bisu, but sometimes people play poorly, or other people play really well. Of course that's a credit to Fantasy, and a knock on Bisu, but shit happens. Plus since it was match between teammates, it got even weirder, due to practice issues. Props to Fantasy, but I don't think you look at Bisu getting raped, and say his PvT is significantly worse than someone like Jangbi or Stork.
I'm not saying Bisu is significantly worse , but Stork has always looked superior in PvT compared to Bisu . I'm sure as hell that if he played Fantasy again even if by a chance he lost he would've performed much better then Bisu did . If you go back and watch how badly Stork rolled Fantasy on chupung 2 times and come to see Bisu's games they were pretty bad imo .
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On March 21 2009 16:56 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2009 09:56 Sentenal wrote:On March 21 2009 03:55 raga4ka wrote:On March 21 2009 01:37 Geo.Rion wrote:On March 21 2009 01:03 Calyx wrote:On March 21 2009 00:18 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
Please Fantasy on the PR next month
PLEASEEE
i dont think anyone could take a bo5 from Bisu
let alone bisu on fire Bisu may have been burning, but Fantasy seems to have discovered napalm... His play in that series was ridiculous. and Bisu's gamesense was lacking here and there, let's not forgot that + Show Spoiler + I woudn't take anything away from Fantasy , but yeah Bisu played pretty poorly ... First game stupid 2 base carrier build that got demolished . Second game basic scouting error ... Third game apply pressure without a good follow-up plan .... Bisu should have beated Fantasy at least on 1 map to assure the medusa game ... Maps weren't heavy imbalanced towards terran so there wasn't much of an excuse . Overall a pretty bad performance by Bisu .... Stork won last OSL against Fantasy 2 of his wins were on chupung were Bisu did a retarded carrier build . I hope this proves once and for all that when you take out the fanboyism Stork and JangBi >>Bisu in PvT . They just have an aura of invincibility in the MU when they are playing at a decent level . Bisu althought he looked pretty damn invincible in the MU most of his games are on Medusa or vs bad or in a slump players excluding Flash . It might also be the case that the quality of TvP has been reducing for no logical reason . It seems like the only players that can TvP for dear life are Fantasy , Flash , Nada , and maybe Light and Hiya in WL . Of course Iris and Skyhigh are always a thread also , but i haven't seen a terran beat good protoss in a series since forever (excluding Bisu vs Fantasy ) . The good old days where Flash ForGG and even Mind were demolishing protoss seems to long ago . Current Stork's PvT is not better than Bisu's PvT. Jangbi's PvT is. I don't think there is a huge gap between any of their skill levels the matchup. Not to defend Bisu, but sometimes people play poorly, or other people play really well. Of course that's a credit to Fantasy, and a knock on Bisu, but shit happens. Plus since it was match between teammates, it got even weirder, due to practice issues. Props to Fantasy, but I don't think you look at Bisu getting raped, and say his PvT is significantly worse than someone like Jangbi or Stork. I'm not saying Bisu is significantly worse , but Stork has always looked superior in PvT compared to Bisu . I'm sure as hell that if he played Fantasy again even if by a chance he lost he would've performed much better then Bisu did . If you go back and watch how badly Stork rolled Fantasy on chupung 2 times and come to see Bisu's games they were pretty bad imo .
agreed.
Bisu always played perfectly than his opponents more low level
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On March 21 2009 09:40 Lockon Stratos wrote:
The 3-0 wasn't a joke, so why would my statement be?
it's just in one bo5, wth
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Bisu played badly that series.
I haven't read all comments, so forgive me if im wrong, but it seems like you're arguing if bisus pvt is awesome or not.
Well he was 21-3 vs terrans before fantasy and thats pretty awesome.
21-3, <---------- ever noobbashed on iccup and gotten those stats? :D
His PvT has been looking as strong as the other top PvTers lately.
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On March 21 2009 14:59 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2009 13:14 Sentenal wrote:On March 21 2009 11:54 baubo wrote:On March 21 2009 09:56 Sentenal wrote:On March 21 2009 03:55 raga4ka wrote:On March 21 2009 01:37 Geo.Rion wrote:On March 21 2009 01:03 Calyx wrote:On March 21 2009 00:18 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
Please Fantasy on the PR next month
PLEASEEE
i dont think anyone could take a bo5 from Bisu
let alone bisu on fire Bisu may have been burning, but Fantasy seems to have discovered napalm... His play in that series was ridiculous. and Bisu's gamesense was lacking here and there, let's not forgot that + Show Spoiler + I woudn't take anything away from Fantasy , but yeah Bisu played pretty poorly ... First game stupid 2 base carrier build that got demolished . Second game basic scouting error ... Third game apply pressure without a good follow-up plan .... Bisu should have beated Fantasy at least on 1 map to assure the medusa game ... Maps weren't heavy imbalanced towards terran so there wasn't much of an excuse . Overall a pretty bad performance by Bisu .... Stork won last OSL against Fantasy 2 of his wins were on chupung were Bisu did a retarded carrier build . I hope this proves once and for all that when you take out the fanboyism Stork and JangBi >>Bisu in PvT . They just have an aura of invincibility in the MU when they are playing at a decent level . Bisu althought he looked pretty damn invincible in the MU most of his games are on Medusa or vs bad or in a slump players excluding Flash . It might also be the case that the quality of TvP has been reducing for no logical reason . It seems like the only players that can TvP for dear life are Fantasy , Flash , Nada , and maybe Light and Hiya in WL . Of course Iris and Skyhigh are always a thread also , but i haven't seen a terran beat good protoss in a series since forever (excluding Bisu vs Fantasy ) . The good old days where Flash ForGG and even Mind were demolishing protoss seems to long ago . Current Stork's PvT is not better than Bisu's PvT. Jangbi's PvT is. I don't think there is a huge gap between any of their skill levels the matchup. Not to defend Bisu, but sometimes people play poorly, or other people play really well. Of course that's a credit to Fantasy, and a knock on Bisu, but shit happens. Plus since it was match between teammates, it got even weirder, due to practice issues. Props to Fantasy, but I don't think you look at Bisu getting raped, and say his PvT is significantly worse than someone like Jangbi or Stork. I don't think it's a stretch to say Samsung tosses are just a level above everyone else in the matchup. Both Jangbi and Stork inherently understand PvT better than anyone else. And since Jangbi has S-class mechanics to back up that knowledge, he has the best PvT in the world right now. Stork is weird because he's really losing it recently in terms of control. Horrible large army control and generally bad micro. But in terms of understanding the MU and knows how to play on on terran favored maps, he is the best in the game. Although Much is up there too, although he doesn't get played anymore. Bisu's PvT is basically good when the situation is advantageous or even. But he can't fight any uphill battles. I don't know how you can say "Bisu can't fight uphill battles PvT". Sure he can. You remember his series vs Flash, in GOMs2? In particular the game on Chypong? That was an up-hill battle, no? Against Flash no less. You won't hear me trying to say that Bisu's PvT is as good as Jangbi's, but I don't think when Bisu goes 21-7 since Clubday MSL in PvT translates to "only good when the situation is advantageous". I'd call it damn good overall PvT. You mean the one where Flash went for a 6 fac push which he handled horribly? I can't remember the details, but I believe I was wondering why Flash played so badly.
In case you can't remember, the 6fac was supposed to kill him and it was a miracle he defended it.
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+ Show Spoiler + So, can we get a power rank where Bisu is not at the top spot, plz?
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On March 21 2009 19:07 Jaeden wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2009 09:40 Lockon Stratos wrote:
The 3-0 wasn't a joke, so why would my statement be? it's just in one bo5, wth
Flash didn't get any special treatment when he got knocked from both leagues, why should Bisu? If it was a close 3-2 the story might be different but a 3-0? Yea no there's no excuse. Way to waste the chance Backho gave you, get knocked out of OSL twice.
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Me thinks Jaedong would take top spot depending on how he does on the WL playoffs vs KTF and his OSL semi-finals
followed by the MSL finalists in 2-3 (winner at 2)
Bisu and Flash at 4-5 respectively. Fantasy jumping in as high as 4? Hmm.. a wild shot, it might make sense given he's winning when it counts and his beating bisu 3-0...
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On March 22 2009 02:52 Lockon Stratos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2009 19:07 Jaeden wrote:On March 21 2009 09:40 Lockon Stratos wrote:
The 3-0 wasn't a joke, so why would my statement be? it's just in one bo5, wth Flash didn't get any special treatment when he got knocked from both leagues, why should Bisu? If it was a close 3-2 the story might be different but a 3-0? Yea no there's no excuse. Way to waste the chance Backho gave you, get knocked out of OSL twice.
When Bisu previously and Flash most recently didn't get any special treatment,the things were different. Who would you place above Bisu just yet? Flash? He didn't do anything yet. I agree that Jd,if he doesn't fail against Hero and in the finals,Luxury should be above Bisu. But who else? Jangbi? He failed too. He lost in the MSL in an unimpressive fashion too. Fantasy? That can still be debated if he wins the OSL,but otherwise,Bisu's overall performance is still better at this point in time. Yeah,Bisu sucked in the semis,but most of the players didn't even get there. So why should he drop to 5? 4 at worst.
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Right now I'd have:
1. Jaedong
2. Lux
3. Bisu
4. JangBi
5. Flash
6. Fantasy -- has the potential to be anywhere between 3-5 to be honest BUT is coming from totally OFF the PR... and if he wins OSL finals especially over Jaedong I don't see how you could not have him at least up near 1st or 2nd... 3rd at worst place since he beat pretty much all of the top players in games or series. (Has quality wins over Flash, Bisu x3, Lux x2, + potentially Jaedong...).
Upcoming events that may affect:
~Jaedong vs. Lux... Jaedong keeps top spot if OSL win IMO.
~Lux/Jaedong outcome of KTF/oz
~Flash also has the chance to move himself up with KTF/oz
Bisu/JangBi both failed, but both do have other results besides failing far into MSL/OSL respectively (Bisu was 8-2 before getting 3-0 by fant & JangBi was 7-2 before Lux beat him in MSL finals).
Flash hasn't done much this month yet (only 3-2 with losses to fantasy and Much).
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But when Fantasy won, it was more due to his opponents playing like ass.
mass mutas vs valks and mnm hurrrrrrrr
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Yes, but if you look at the quality of his performance throughout the latter part of the OSL, he's very potent. Even if his opponent's played like ass, you still need skill to deliver the rape, and rape he did.
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On March 21 2009 14:59 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2009 13:14 Sentenal wrote:On March 21 2009 11:54 baubo wrote:On March 21 2009 09:56 Sentenal wrote:On March 21 2009 03:55 raga4ka wrote:On March 21 2009 01:37 Geo.Rion wrote:On March 21 2009 01:03 Calyx wrote:On March 21 2009 00:18 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
Please Fantasy on the PR next month
PLEASEEE
i dont think anyone could take a bo5 from Bisu
let alone bisu on fire Bisu may have been burning, but Fantasy seems to have discovered napalm... His play in that series was ridiculous. and Bisu's gamesense was lacking here and there, let's not forgot that + Show Spoiler + I woudn't take anything away from Fantasy , but yeah Bisu played pretty poorly ... First game stupid 2 base carrier build that got demolished . Second game basic scouting error ... Third game apply pressure without a good follow-up plan .... Bisu should have beated Fantasy at least on 1 map to assure the medusa game ... Maps weren't heavy imbalanced towards terran so there wasn't much of an excuse . Overall a pretty bad performance by Bisu .... Stork won last OSL against Fantasy 2 of his wins were on chupung were Bisu did a retarded carrier build . I hope this proves once and for all that when you take out the fanboyism Stork and JangBi >>Bisu in PvT . They just have an aura of invincibility in the MU when they are playing at a decent level . Bisu althought he looked pretty damn invincible in the MU most of his games are on Medusa or vs bad or in a slump players excluding Flash . It might also be the case that the quality of TvP has been reducing for no logical reason . It seems like the only players that can TvP for dear life are Fantasy , Flash , Nada , and maybe Light and Hiya in WL . Of course Iris and Skyhigh are always a thread also , but i haven't seen a terran beat good protoss in a series since forever (excluding Bisu vs Fantasy ) . The good old days where Flash ForGG and even Mind were demolishing protoss seems to long ago . Current Stork's PvT is not better than Bisu's PvT. Jangbi's PvT is. I don't think there is a huge gap between any of their skill levels the matchup. Not to defend Bisu, but sometimes people play poorly, or other people play really well. Of course that's a credit to Fantasy, and a knock on Bisu, but shit happens. Plus since it was match between teammates, it got even weirder, due to practice issues. Props to Fantasy, but I don't think you look at Bisu getting raped, and say his PvT is significantly worse than someone like Jangbi or Stork. I don't think it's a stretch to say Samsung tosses are just a level above everyone else in the matchup. Both Jangbi and Stork inherently understand PvT better than anyone else. And since Jangbi has S-class mechanics to back up that knowledge, he has the best PvT in the world right now. Stork is weird because he's really losing it recently in terms of control. Horrible large army control and generally bad micro. But in terms of understanding the MU and knows how to play on on terran favored maps, he is the best in the game. Although Much is up there too, although he doesn't get played anymore. Bisu's PvT is basically good when the situation is advantageous or even. But he can't fight any uphill battles. I don't know how you can say "Bisu can't fight uphill battles PvT". Sure he can. You remember his series vs Flash, in GOMs2? In particular the game on Chypong? That was an up-hill battle, no? Against Flash no less. You won't hear me trying to say that Bisu's PvT is as good as Jangbi's, but I don't think when Bisu goes 21-7 since Clubday MSL in PvT translates to "only good when the situation is advantageous". I'd call it damn good overall PvT. You mean the one where Flash went for a 6 fac push which he handled horribly? I can't remember the details, but I believe I was wondering why Flash played so badly. Edit: Was Bisu even in trouble that game? It started off standard if I'm not mistaken. Example of toss fighting uphill battle would be like Stork playing Flash on Harmony where Flash was shelling his base for half the game. Or when Stork actually took out Nada on RH3 the PvT graveyard.
Sure he was. Remember when Bisu scouted Flash with the obs, saw his build, and then right after Flash killed the observers, canceled the armory and added like 2 more facts? And then Bisu somehow Miraculously fought off the timing attack? Not to mention the map itself is T>P.
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