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On April 01 2009 20:03 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2009 02:21 StylishVODs wrote:
Considering powerrank should also be a somewhat accurate ranking of the strongest players atm, putting bisu anywhere below top 3 would be just wrong.
He obviously had an off day vs fantasy and fantasy played really well.
He wins almost everything, then have a bad day and lose some games, then start winning again. Imo it would be too harsh even lowering him 2 spots.
His records speak for themselves, and his latest showdowns vs the best terrans and the best zerg indicates that he's still the best protoss and definately top 2 or 3 in my book atleast, with Jaedong above him. The strongest players don't exit the league 0 - 3 and fail in WL . Jaedong and Luxury should be #1 and # 2 , after that you can shuffle Fantasy/JangBi/Bisu . I think Fantasy should be # 3 , because he still has something to prove . After that Bisu , because he performed well in the special event against terrans , not that JangBi wouldn't have demolished them , but still props to Bisu .
So a player who is owning just about everyone is not allowed to have one single day off? Thats silly.
"hey im luxury, im better than bisu right now" 1st april joke imo
Only reason jaedong should be over him is because he's in godmode right now.
Bisu is going from one finals to another in mutliple leagues and getting all-kills here and there in other events.
Also I wouldn't call his performance for march's winnerleague is a fail.
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On April 01 2009 20:03 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2009 02:21 StylishVODs wrote:
Considering powerrank should also be a somewhat accurate ranking of the strongest players atm, putting bisu anywhere below top 3 would be just wrong.
He obviously had an off day vs fantasy and fantasy played really well.
He wins almost everything, then have a bad day and lose some games, then start winning again. Imo it would be too harsh even lowering him 2 spots.
His records speak for themselves, and his latest showdowns vs the best terrans and the best zerg indicates that he's still the best protoss and definately top 2 or 3 in my book atleast, with Jaedong above him. The strongest players don't exit the league 0 - 3 and fail in WL . Jaedong and Luxury should be #1 and # 2 , after that you can shuffle Fantasy/JangBi/Bisu . I think Fantasy should be # 3 , because he still has something to prove . After that Bisu , because he performed well in the special event against terrans , not that JangBi wouldn't have demolished them , but still props to Bisu .
Just because Bisu lost 0-3 to a Terran teammate doesn't mean that much
Yes, he lost one sidely to a set but he's done so well in WL and other sets that this hardly should bring down his rank
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On April 01 2009 20:03 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2009 02:21 StylishVODs wrote:
Considering powerrank should also be a somewhat accurate ranking of the strongest players atm, putting bisu anywhere below top 3 would be just wrong.
He obviously had an off day vs fantasy and fantasy played really well.
He wins almost everything, then have a bad day and lose some games, then start winning again. Imo it would be too harsh even lowering him 2 spots.
His records speak for themselves, and his latest showdowns vs the best terrans and the best zerg indicates that he's still the best protoss and definately top 2 or 3 in my book atleast, with Jaedong above him. The strongest players don't exit the league 0 - 3 and fail in WL . Jaedong and Luxury should be #1 and # 2 , after that you can shuffle Fantasy/JangBi/Bisu . I think Fantasy should be # 3 , because he still has something to prove . After that Bisu , because he performed well in the special event against terrans , not that JangBi wouldn't have demolished them , but still props to Bisu .
More Zerg bias please.
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Even as a Bisu fan, I have to agree that he does not deserve the number 1 spot for April. His performance lately has been, for the most part, really lackluster with his early elimination in the MSL and his defeat against Hoejja in the Winner`s League. His failure to reach the OSL finals represents additional salt to the wound for many fans who were hoping for an epic finals between him and Jaedong.
Overall, Bisu had a chance to prove his Bonjwa (in the making) status and he failed. For this, he does not deserve a high spot on the Power Rank. However, I think it would be a bit much to completely remove him from the Power Rank.
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Putting him #1 would be ridiculous, but lower than 3 is also ridiculous IMO.
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On April 02 2009 04:12 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2009 20:03 raga4ka wrote:On April 01 2009 02:21 StylishVODs wrote:
Considering powerrank should also be a somewhat accurate ranking of the strongest players atm, putting bisu anywhere below top 3 would be just wrong.
He obviously had an off day vs fantasy and fantasy played really well.
He wins almost everything, then have a bad day and lose some games, then start winning again. Imo it would be too harsh even lowering him 2 spots.
His records speak for themselves, and his latest showdowns vs the best terrans and the best zerg indicates that he's still the best protoss and definately top 2 or 3 in my book atleast, with Jaedong above him. The strongest players don't exit the league 0 - 3 and fail in WL . Jaedong and Luxury should be #1 and # 2 , after that you can shuffle Fantasy/JangBi/Bisu . I think Fantasy should be # 3 , because he still has something to prove . After that Bisu , because he performed well in the special event against terrans , not that JangBi wouldn't have demolished them , but still props to Bisu . More Zerg bias please.
Because they don't deserve it? Jaedong is #1 Elo by 60 points right now, putting on one of the most dominating performances ever. Luxury is your MSL champion, maybe he hasn't played a lot of games, but what more can you ask of him?
Bisu failed hard in the OSL. Make any excuse you want, but he got worked. His performance has been shaky lately and he shouldn't get a free pass just because he's popular.
Spots 4 and 5 are a tough call between JangBi and Fantasy.
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On April 02 2009 04:54 LxRogue wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2009 04:12 fanatacist wrote:On April 01 2009 20:03 raga4ka wrote:On April 01 2009 02:21 StylishVODs wrote:
Considering powerrank should also be a somewhat accurate ranking of the strongest players atm, putting bisu anywhere below top 3 would be just wrong.
He obviously had an off day vs fantasy and fantasy played really well.
He wins almost everything, then have a bad day and lose some games, then start winning again. Imo it would be too harsh even lowering him 2 spots.
His records speak for themselves, and his latest showdowns vs the best terrans and the best zerg indicates that he's still the best protoss and definately top 2 or 3 in my book atleast, with Jaedong above him. The strongest players don't exit the league 0 - 3 and fail in WL . Jaedong and Luxury should be #1 and # 2 , after that you can shuffle Fantasy/JangBi/Bisu . I think Fantasy should be # 3 , because he still has something to prove . After that Bisu , because he performed well in the special event against terrans , not that JangBi wouldn't have demolished them , but still props to Bisu . More Zerg bias please. Because they don't deserve it? Jaedong is #1 Elo by 60 points right now, putting on one of the most dominating performances ever. Luxury is your MSL champion, maybe he hasn't played a lot of games, but what more can you ask of him? Bisu failed hard in the OSL. Make any excuse you want, but he got worked. His performance has been shaky lately and he shouldn't get a free pass just because he's popular. Spots 4 and 5 are a tough call between JangBi and Fantasy.
Jaedong I can agree, Luxury not so much. You think Lux can take Bisu or Flash Bo5?
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Steve will wait till the OSL finishes? Or am i too optimistic?
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On April 02 2009 05:08 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2009 04:54 LxRogue wrote:On April 02 2009 04:12 fanatacist wrote:On April 01 2009 20:03 raga4ka wrote:On April 01 2009 02:21 StylishVODs wrote:
Considering powerrank should also be a somewhat accurate ranking of the strongest players atm, putting bisu anywhere below top 3 would be just wrong.
He obviously had an off day vs fantasy and fantasy played really well.
He wins almost everything, then have a bad day and lose some games, then start winning again. Imo it would be too harsh even lowering him 2 spots.
His records speak for themselves, and his latest showdowns vs the best terrans and the best zerg indicates that he's still the best protoss and definately top 2 or 3 in my book atleast, with Jaedong above him. The strongest players don't exit the league 0 - 3 and fail in WL . Jaedong and Luxury should be #1 and # 2 , after that you can shuffle Fantasy/JangBi/Bisu . I think Fantasy should be # 3 , because he still has something to prove . After that Bisu , because he performed well in the special event against terrans , not that JangBi wouldn't have demolished them , but still props to Bisu . More Zerg bias please. Because they don't deserve it? Jaedong is #1 Elo by 60 points right now, putting on one of the most dominating performances ever. Luxury is your MSL champion, maybe he hasn't played a lot of games, but what more can you ask of him? Bisu failed hard in the OSL. Make any excuse you want, but he got worked. His performance has been shaky lately and he shouldn't get a free pass just because he's popular. Spots 4 and 5 are a tough call between JangBi and Fantasy. Jaedong I can agree, Luxury not so much. You think Lux can take Bisu or Flash Bo5?
i don't think that a lux vs flash bo5 would have flash as a heavy favorite. i might be a bit ignorant as a lux fan here, but, in terms of skill (i.e. leaving out the effect of playing someone from your own team), i think lux is actually the slight favorite. probably not against bisu, but that wouldnt' be horribly one-sided either
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On April 02 2009 06:02 brjdrb wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2009 05:08 fanatacist wrote:On April 02 2009 04:54 LxRogue wrote:On April 02 2009 04:12 fanatacist wrote:On April 01 2009 20:03 raga4ka wrote:On April 01 2009 02:21 StylishVODs wrote:
Considering powerrank should also be a somewhat accurate ranking of the strongest players atm, putting bisu anywhere below top 3 would be just wrong.
He obviously had an off day vs fantasy and fantasy played really well.
He wins almost everything, then have a bad day and lose some games, then start winning again. Imo it would be too harsh even lowering him 2 spots.
His records speak for themselves, and his latest showdowns vs the best terrans and the best zerg indicates that he's still the best protoss and definately top 2 or 3 in my book atleast, with Jaedong above him. The strongest players don't exit the league 0 - 3 and fail in WL . Jaedong and Luxury should be #1 and # 2 , after that you can shuffle Fantasy/JangBi/Bisu . I think Fantasy should be # 3 , because he still has something to prove . After that Bisu , because he performed well in the special event against terrans , not that JangBi wouldn't have demolished them , but still props to Bisu . More Zerg bias please. Because they don't deserve it? Jaedong is #1 Elo by 60 points right now, putting on one of the most dominating performances ever. Luxury is your MSL champion, maybe he hasn't played a lot of games, but what more can you ask of him? Bisu failed hard in the OSL. Make any excuse you want, but he got worked. His performance has been shaky lately and he shouldn't get a free pass just because he's popular. Spots 4 and 5 are a tough call between JangBi and Fantasy. Jaedong I can agree, Luxury not so much. You think Lux can take Bisu or Flash Bo5? i don't think that a lux vs flash bo5 would have flash as a heavy favorite. i might be a bit ignorant as a lux fan here, but, in terms of skill (i.e. leaving out the effect of playing someone from your own team), i think lux is actually the slight favorite. probably not against bisu, but that wouldnt' be horribly one-sided either
I think flash is waaaaaaay better than luxury. Specially in terms of skill/mechanics. Luxury is good at all-in builds though.
When i saw flash play in the racewars i watched with my mouth open the whole game, he was so amazing.
Jaedong nr1 whatevr happens in OSL.
Bisu nr 2
I would chose flash nr 3 since he's that good, but recent records beg to differ, so i guess he'll drop. If he does, he would be the favourite against anyone except jaedong, bisu and probably jangbi anyway.
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On April 02 2009 05:08 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2009 04:54 LxRogue wrote:On April 02 2009 04:12 fanatacist wrote:On April 01 2009 20:03 raga4ka wrote:On April 01 2009 02:21 StylishVODs wrote:
Considering powerrank should also be a somewhat accurate ranking of the strongest players atm, putting bisu anywhere below top 3 would be just wrong.
He obviously had an off day vs fantasy and fantasy played really well.
He wins almost everything, then have a bad day and lose some games, then start winning again. Imo it would be too harsh even lowering him 2 spots.
His records speak for themselves, and his latest showdowns vs the best terrans and the best zerg indicates that he's still the best protoss and definately top 2 or 3 in my book atleast, with Jaedong above him. The strongest players don't exit the league 0 - 3 and fail in WL . Jaedong and Luxury should be #1 and # 2 , after that you can shuffle Fantasy/JangBi/Bisu . I think Fantasy should be # 3 , because he still has something to prove . After that Bisu , because he performed well in the special event against terrans , not that JangBi wouldn't have demolished them , but still props to Bisu . More Zerg bias please. Because they don't deserve it? Jaedong is #1 Elo by 60 points right now, putting on one of the most dominating performances ever. Luxury is your MSL champion, maybe he hasn't played a lot of games, but what more can you ask of him? Bisu failed hard in the OSL. Make any excuse you want, but he got worked. His performance has been shaky lately and he shouldn't get a free pass just because he's popular. Spots 4 and 5 are a tough call between JangBi and Fantasy. Jaedong I can agree, Luxury not so much. You think Lux can take Bisu or Flash Bo5?
What's your point? The PR isn't a speculative projection of Bo5s. It's a reflection of actual performance. Luxury won his games; Bisu and Flash didn't.
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On April 02 2009 06:31 LxRogue wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2009 05:08 fanatacist wrote:On April 02 2009 04:54 LxRogue wrote:On April 02 2009 04:12 fanatacist wrote:On April 01 2009 20:03 raga4ka wrote:On April 01 2009 02:21 StylishVODs wrote:
Considering powerrank should also be a somewhat accurate ranking of the strongest players atm, putting bisu anywhere below top 3 would be just wrong.
He obviously had an off day vs fantasy and fantasy played really well.
He wins almost everything, then have a bad day and lose some games, then start winning again. Imo it would be too harsh even lowering him 2 spots.
His records speak for themselves, and his latest showdowns vs the best terrans and the best zerg indicates that he's still the best protoss and definately top 2 or 3 in my book atleast, with Jaedong above him. The strongest players don't exit the league 0 - 3 and fail in WL . Jaedong and Luxury should be #1 and # 2 , after that you can shuffle Fantasy/JangBi/Bisu . I think Fantasy should be # 3 , because he still has something to prove . After that Bisu , because he performed well in the special event against terrans , not that JangBi wouldn't have demolished them , but still props to Bisu . More Zerg bias please. Because they don't deserve it? Jaedong is #1 Elo by 60 points right now, putting on one of the most dominating performances ever. Luxury is your MSL champion, maybe he hasn't played a lot of games, but what more can you ask of him? Bisu failed hard in the OSL. Make any excuse you want, but he got worked. His performance has been shaky lately and he shouldn't get a free pass just because he's popular. Spots 4 and 5 are a tough call between JangBi and Fantasy. Jaedong I can agree, Luxury not so much. You think Lux can take Bisu or Flash Bo5? What's your point? The PR isn't a speculative projection of Bo5s. It's a reflection of actual performance. Luxury won his games; Bisu and Flash didn't.
Wrong, PR is a reflection of actual skill. If Luxury can't take Bisu or Flash in a Bo5 then he does not have greater skill than them. And this isn't because of a weak MU or something.
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On April 02 2009 06:25 StylishVODs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2009 06:02 brjdrb wrote:On April 02 2009 05:08 fanatacist wrote:On April 02 2009 04:54 LxRogue wrote:On April 02 2009 04:12 fanatacist wrote:On April 01 2009 20:03 raga4ka wrote:On April 01 2009 02:21 StylishVODs wrote:
Considering powerrank should also be a somewhat accurate ranking of the strongest players atm, putting bisu anywhere below top 3 would be just wrong.
He obviously had an off day vs fantasy and fantasy played really well.
He wins almost everything, then have a bad day and lose some games, then start winning again. Imo it would be too harsh even lowering him 2 spots.
His records speak for themselves, and his latest showdowns vs the best terrans and the best zerg indicates that he's still the best protoss and definately top 2 or 3 in my book atleast, with Jaedong above him. The strongest players don't exit the league 0 - 3 and fail in WL . Jaedong and Luxury should be #1 and # 2 , after that you can shuffle Fantasy/JangBi/Bisu . I think Fantasy should be # 3 , because he still has something to prove . After that Bisu , because he performed well in the special event against terrans , not that JangBi wouldn't have demolished them , but still props to Bisu . More Zerg bias please. Because they don't deserve it? Jaedong is #1 Elo by 60 points right now, putting on one of the most dominating performances ever. Luxury is your MSL champion, maybe he hasn't played a lot of games, but what more can you ask of him? Bisu failed hard in the OSL. Make any excuse you want, but he got worked. His performance has been shaky lately and he shouldn't get a free pass just because he's popular. Spots 4 and 5 are a tough call between JangBi and Fantasy. Jaedong I can agree, Luxury not so much. You think Lux can take Bisu or Flash Bo5? i don't think that a lux vs flash bo5 would have flash as a heavy favorite. i might be a bit ignorant as a lux fan here, but, in terms of skill (i.e. leaving out the effect of playing someone from your own team), i think lux is actually the slight favorite. probably not against bisu, but that wouldnt' be horribly one-sided either I think flash is waaaaaaay better than luxury. Specially in terms of skill/mechanics. Luxury is good at all-in builds though. When i saw flash play in the racewars i watched with my mouth open the whole game, he was so amazing. Jaedong nr1 whatevr happens in OSL. Bisu nr 2 I would chose flash nr 3 since he's that good, but recent records beg to differ, so i guess he'll drop. If he does, he would be the favourite against anyone except jaedong, bisu and probably jangbi anyway.
i have to disagree. at least with the statement that he's waaaay better. it's a pity that we don't really have any recent indication of how they compare to each other 1v1 (last time they played was in the ever osl, where lux 2-0'd flash). lux showed some of his classic rollercoaster (incredible, then crappy, then great again) during his msl run, but he also demonstrated that he knows how to play a bo5, and that his mechanics are respectable. i'm not saying that flash isn't one of, if not the best tvz player right now, but suggesting that a bo5 b/n him and lux would be severely underestimating luxury.
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1. JD (no argument about this; all-killing KTF was just great, new OSL champion, 2nd place in WL on a 2-player-team...)
2/3. Bisu/Lux (imo Lux deserves #2 more this month, though you can't take away too much from Bisu for having a single bad day)
4. Jangbi
5. Fantasy
6.-10.... don't care; Hyia, Flash, Skyhigh, Light(?)
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JD actually got 1st in WL, Bisu got 2nd.
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PR isn't about who would beat who in a Bo5 since everyone's MUs are different. It's about who got results and showed better Starcraft, and undeniably Luxury has shown better starcraft this month than Bisu. And please don't say how he cheesed a lot, since Bisu did so many rush builds in the Race Battle.
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On April 02 2009 07:18 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2009 06:31 LxRogue wrote:On April 02 2009 05:08 fanatacist wrote:On April 02 2009 04:54 LxRogue wrote:On April 02 2009 04:12 fanatacist wrote:On April 01 2009 20:03 raga4ka wrote:On April 01 2009 02:21 StylishVODs wrote:
Considering powerrank should also be a somewhat accurate ranking of the strongest players atm, putting bisu anywhere below top 3 would be just wrong.
He obviously had an off day vs fantasy and fantasy played really well.
He wins almost everything, then have a bad day and lose some games, then start winning again. Imo it would be too harsh even lowering him 2 spots.
His records speak for themselves, and his latest showdowns vs the best terrans and the best zerg indicates that he's still the best protoss and definately top 2 or 3 in my book atleast, with Jaedong above him. The strongest players don't exit the league 0 - 3 and fail in WL . Jaedong and Luxury should be #1 and # 2 , after that you can shuffle Fantasy/JangBi/Bisu . I think Fantasy should be # 3 , because he still has something to prove . After that Bisu , because he performed well in the special event against terrans , not that JangBi wouldn't have demolished them , but still props to Bisu . More Zerg bias please. Because they don't deserve it? Jaedong is #1 Elo by 60 points right now, putting on one of the most dominating performances ever. Luxury is your MSL champion, maybe he hasn't played a lot of games, but what more can you ask of him? Bisu failed hard in the OSL. Make any excuse you want, but he got worked. His performance has been shaky lately and he shouldn't get a free pass just because he's popular. Spots 4 and 5 are a tough call between JangBi and Fantasy. Jaedong I can agree, Luxury not so much. You think Lux can take Bisu or Flash Bo5? What's your point? The PR isn't a speculative projection of Bo5s. It's a reflection of actual performance. Luxury won his games; Bisu and Flash didn't. Wrong, PR is a reflection of actual skill. If Luxury can't take Bisu or Flash in a Bo5 then he does not have greater skill than them. And this isn't because of a weak MU or something.
In the form Flash is in right now, Lux can definitely take it into at least game 5, depending on the map. I'm not sure about Bisu, though.
The bo5's against each other isn't the best way to judge a player's skill, though. Firebathero could lose to Tester in a Bo5 because of his bad TvP, but that doesn't mean that Tester is the better player.
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Did both of you miss the part where I said that it wasn't because of a weak MU? Overall I believe Flash and Bisu are stronger players than Luxury. And I don't even like Flash, before you bring that up.
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How do you gauge actual skill though? Do you advocate Flash being above Luxury and possibly Jaedong because he has more potential than the two? No, that's silly. The PR isn't strictly about actual skill. Just because a person has an off day (or two in this case), it doesn't make them impervious to any dips in the PR just because we know they can do better. Although their skill does give them a buffer against any significant drops, Luxury will be rated higher than Bisu because of their performances. Oh, luxury even leads in Head to Head vs Bisu, so he definitely has a chance of taking Bisu in a Bo5.
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luxury above bisu? seriously? get outta town
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