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On October 29 2008 06:03 disciple wrote:
You guys must prepare now for a looong toss reign, which will end with the death of the sc1 proscene and the birth of sc2. The MSL PPPP semifinal is just the beginning. All the terrans are chumps, pray for JD to step back his ZvP to his godlike level
FBH will win MSL and The Transition from SC1 to SC2 will be dance!
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Okay, given Fantasy's performance, even if he wins the OSL and Stork loses a ton of games, Stork still had a better month and a strong case can be made for Stork #1. 95% Guaranteed.
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On October 29 2008 08:15 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Okay, given Fantasy's performance, even if he wins the OSL and Stork loses a ton of games, Stork still had a better month and a strong case can be made for Stork #1. 95% Guaranteed.
If stork loses bad enough (like vs. Flash bad and losing in proleague) while it might not mean Fantasy for #1 it should mean no Stork #1.
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EDIT: there are spoilers for those who haven't watched the most recent games
my rankings would be the following:
1. Stork - I never really liked him but the man is playing really well and as consistent as a progamer can get. He deserves the #1 ranking regardless of winning the osl finals just for playing so damn great up until now. His current score in October is 14-5 with losses to tough opponents like Bisu, Best, and ForGG
2. Jaedong - Although he was eliminated from both leagues, Jaedong is still a monster and is still one of the top players of today
3.Bisu - I know that Bisu seems a little high up and I guess you can say that Im a partial fanboy as well. However, Bisu has been playing really consistent as of late, with his pvp and pvt being revamped. The only person that was able to take a bo3 out of Bisu lately was Stork with a really close 2-1 win. He has also showed us that his macro and PvT in general improved with the dismantling of Hwasin. He has also been a very reliable player in the proleague, unlike the period of time where he was considered a bonjwa. His current score of October is 10-3
4. Fantasy - He is in the finals of the OSL by destroying ggplay 3-1 as well as winning a couple of convincing TvT series. However, I dont think that fantasy has the ability to play as well as the top 3, considering that he caught ggplay offguard with the well timed mech build and couldn't win with a standard build.
5. BeSt - He is a monster at proleagues and boasted a PvP winning streak of 13 games until the OSL Semifinals. However, his PvZ is still pretty bad compared to the other top protoss players, and he was not able to prove his PvP supremacy to Stork. His PvT is still great though and he has decent odds at beating just about any non-zerg player.
6. Free - Pretty has been the backbone of whatever is left of his team. Having a 6-2 record in the proleague and winning a bo3 against jaedong, Free is showing just how damn good he can be when in form. Unfortunately, Free is known to be very inconsistent so we can only wait and watch how he does in the future.
7. FBH - Firebathero is another player that I don't particularly like. However, after cruising through the group of aiur and losing only to a in-form free and best (out of his protoss opponents). FBH is showing that he's definitely a threat. I'm just hoping that Bisu will demolish him so we don't have to bear any more ceremonies.
8. flash - Yes, flash has been eliminated from both leagues and has lost games due to his predictable 14cc build. Despite his recent losses, flash is still alive and winning in the proleague, carrying KTF on his back with the help of Luxury. I would probably vote flash against anyone who isn't ranked above him in a bo3.
9. SaviOr - SaviOr has delivered his fans a couple yawn rapes after boldly stating that he would destroy everyone in 2009. Being 5-1 in October not counting blizzcon (which he was undefeated in), the maestro is picking up momentum. Losing to a very seasoned ZvZ player such as Yarnc is not a big deal and I'm giving savior the benefit of the doubt due to his past experience and capability.
10 - Honestly I'm not sure who I would put in here. The only names that come up in mind are Leta who is 6-2 in the proleague for October, Luxury who has been 5-1 in the proleague, or GGplay. Although GGplay lost to Fantasy in the semifinals, the maps being played were very terrible for zerg. Fantasy also prepared a build that GGplay did not expect and couldn't react correctly to. However, GGplay did manage to show us his impressive hive tech management during the third game of the bo5. GGplay has lost the last 2 proleague games and has me wondering whether he will fall into mediocrity once more.
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In my opinion, Bisu gave Stork a harder time in pvp than Best. Bisu pvp > Best pvp? The fanboy in me says yes 
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On October 29 2008 09:56 nujabes wrote:
EDIT: there are spoilers for those who haven't watched the most recent games
my rankings would be the following:
1. Stork - I never really liked him but the man is playing really well and as consistent as a progamer can get. He deserves the #1 ranking regardless of winning the osl finals just for playing so damn great up until now. His current score in October is 14-5 with losses to tough opponents like Bisu, Best, and ForGG
2. Jaedong - Although he was eliminated from both leagues, Jaedong is still a monster and is still one of the top players of today
3.Bisu - I know that Bisu seems a little high up and I guess you can say that Im a partial fanboy as well. However, Bisu has been playing really consistent as of late, with his pvp and pvt being revamped. The only person that was able to take a bo3 out of Bisu lately was Stork with a really close 2-1 win. He has also showed us that his macro and PvT in general improved with the dismantling of Hwasin. He has also been a very reliable player in the proleague, unlike the period of time where he was considered a bonjwa. His current score of October is 10-3
4. Fantasy - He is in the finals of the OSL by destroying ggplay 3-1 as well as winning a couple of convincing TvT series. However, I dont think that fantasy has the ability to play as well as the top 3, considering that he caught ggplay offguard with the well timed mech build and couldn't win with a standard build.
5. BeSt - He is a monster at proleagues and boasted a PvP winning streak of 13 games until the OSL Semifinals. However, his PvZ is still pretty bad compared to the other top protoss players, and he was not able to prove his PvP supremacy to Stork. His PvT is still great though and he has decent odds at beating just about any non-zerg player.
6. Free - Pretty has been the backbone of whatever is left of his team. Having a 6-2 record in the proleague and winning a bo3 against jaedong, Free is showing just how damn good he can be when in form. Unfortunately, Free is known to be very inconsistent so we can only wait and watch how he does in the future.
7. FBH - Firebathero is another player that I don't particularly like. However, after cruising through the group of aiur and losing only to a in-form free and best (out of his protoss opponents). FBH is showing that he's definitely a threat. I'm just hoping that Bisu will demolish him so we don't have to bear any more ceremonies.
8. flash - Yes, flash has been eliminated from both leagues and has lost games due to his predictable 14cc build. Despite his recent losses, flash is still alive and winning in the proleague, carrying KTF on his back with the help of Luxury. I would probably vote flash against anyone who isn't ranked above him in a bo3.
9. SaviOr - SaviOr has delivered his fans a couple yawn rapes after boldly stating that he would destroy everyone in 2009. Being 5-1 in October not counting blizzcon (which he was undefeated in), the maestro is picking up momentum. Losing to a very seasoned ZvZ player such as Yarnc is not a big deal and I'm giving savior the benefit of the doubt due to his past experience and capability.
10 - Honestly I'm not sure who I would put in here. The only names that come up in mind are Leta who is 6-2 in the proleague for October, Luxury who has been 5-1 in the proleague, or GGplay. Although GGplay lost to Fantasy in the semifinals, the maps being played were very terrible for zerg. Fantasy also prepared a build that GGplay did not expect and couldn't react correctly to. However, GGplay did manage to show us his impressive hive tech management during the third game of the bo5. GGplay has lost the last 2 proleague games and has me wondering whether he will fall into mediocrity once more.
I disagree alot. Mine would look more like this:
1.Stork
2.BeSt
3.Jaedong
4.by.Fantasy
5.Bisu
6.Free
7.firebathero
8.Kal
9.by.Flash
10.Yellow
I think it's too early to put sAviOr in the PR. Those last 3 spots would be tough for me, I don't watch enough SC to really make up my mind.
That's why oneother and FS do the rank, not any of us.
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even though we have fakesteve and oneother to do the PR it doesnt hurt to add our own insight / opinions 
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sAviOr would not think well of putting him in the power rank on the basis of a mere drop in the ocean.
First he'll have to destroy BeSt (with his abysmal PvZ, hence the 'easiest' of the S-classes), then Flash, then Jaedong (he has a 50% winrate against the best ZvZ in the world, and gave him 2 losses), then be the San Antonio Spurs to Stork's Phoenix Suns (i.e. Tweety has never taken a BoX off him), then finally face his Waterloo and defeat Bisu convincingly.
(I think the only things probable there, given current shape, is the BeSt win, but Flash and Stork aren't impossible.)
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United States2186 Posts
Gotta love the blatant tl JD bias. It's weird because people hated Savior up until nostalgia came around, even though he put up far better results with worse maps and far better form than JD (on a totally different mental plane). Instead they praised Nada and Nal_rA. But JD who is nothing in comparison gets a ton of unjustified love, while his counterparts in Flash and ForGG are either hated, for the former, or forgotten, for the latter.
Look at the facts!
JD is 6-5 in October, with 1 of those wins over Flash. That wasn't a BO loss though, it was more JD taking an appropriate risk and Flash getting owned for being dumb/underestimating him. So props to him for that. However, considering two losses are in zvz and the rest are in zvp, his best matchups, JD is not looking the same as before. I didn't see it so maybe RorO was Chojja reborn, but how do you justify losing to RorO? JD's zvz of the past transcended BO loss, and frankly everything. Loss to Yarnc isn't as bad, but still. One can argue that his loss to free on Byzantium 2 was a gimme given the imbalance so far, but things do change and judging map imbalance way too early has been a constant theme throughout the years. Arcadia started out 0-11 TvZ or so and gradually became almost balanced record at the end.
Flash is 11-5 over the same timeframe, including that luck loss to GGplay on Plasma. He isn't looking amazing, and is definitely isn't the genius Flash of the past that made me like him. But he's on a 5-0 streak since his loss to JD and is looking to pull out of 'retard Flash mode' that was him post-OSL curse. So far he's either won with amazing defense with 14cc, or NOT 14ccing. But maybe he'll still cheese Bisu.
Certainly JD of the past months has been a lot better than Flash and looking only a notch or two less than his dominating form a year ago, but either he's had a lot of unfortunate 'coincidences' strung together in October (losing to Free on Athena was just plain poor play though) or he's dropping down.
Either way, it's utterly ridiculous to put JD even near the top 3, and it's also absurd to put JD so much higher up than Flash. While 1 spot higher would make some sense, considering JD still dominated their lost encounter, it's pretty clear that JD is nowhere near the form his fanboys believes.
Just to point out something interesting:
All PR #1 had won a major title (if you include GSI as a major title which, given the level of competition, you should), so if Stork loses to Fantasy but still gets #1, he would be the first person to do this. If Stork does lose for any reason but blatant dumb luck, like Flash vs GGplay on Plasma (and I hope/think he will, go oov/fantasy), then a #1 peak would look really out of place for him.
I won't even bother making a list, since a lot is determined by FBH/Bisu and Nada/Free, and of course Fantasy/Stork.
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On October 30 2008 03:00 Ver wrote:
Gotta love the blatant tl JD bias. It's weird because people hated Savior up until nostalgia came around, even though he put up far better results with worse maps and far better form than JD (on a totally different mental plane). Instead they praised Nada and Nal_rA. But JD who is nothing in comparison gets a ton of unjustified love, while his counterparts in Flash and ForGG are either hated, for the former, or forgotten, for the latter.
Look at the facts!
JD is 6-5 in October, with 1 of those wins over Flash. That wasn't a BO loss though, it was more JD taking an appropriate risk and Flash getting owned for being dumb/underestimating him. So props to him for that. However, considering two losses are in zvz and the rest are in zvp, his best matchups, JD is not looking the same as before. I didn't see it so maybe RorO was Chojja reborn, but how do you justify losing to RorO? JD's zvz of the past transcended BO loss, and frankly everything. Loss to Yarnc isn't as bad, but still. One can argue that his loss to free on Byzantium 2 was a gimme given the imbalance so far, but things do change and judging map imbalance way too early has been a constant theme throughout the years. Arcadia started out 0-11 TvZ or so and gradually became almost balanced record at the end.
Flash is 11-5 over the same timeframe, including that luck loss to GGplay on Plasma. He isn't looking amazing, and is definitely isn't the genius Flash of the past that made me like him. But he's on a 5-0 streak since his loss to JD and is looking to pull out of 'retard Flash mode' that was him post-OSL curse. So far he's either won with amazing defense with 14cc, or NOT 14ccing. But maybe he'll still cheese Bisu.
Certainly JD of the past months has been a lot better than Flash and looking only a notch or two less than his dominating form a year ago, but either he's had a lot of unfortunate 'coincidences' strung together in October (losing to Free on Athena was just plain poor play though) or he's dropping down.
Either way, it's utterly ridiculous to put JD even near the top 3, and it's also absurd to put JD so much higher up than Flash. While 1 spot higher would make some sense, considering JD still dominated their lost encounter, it's pretty clear that JD is nowhere near the form his fanboys believes.
Just to point out something interesting:
All PR #1 had won a major title (if you include GSI as a major title which, given the level of competition, you should), so if Stork loses to Fantasy but still gets #1, he would be the first person to do this. If Stork does lose for any reason but blatant dumb luck, like Flash vs GGplay on Plasma (and I hope/think he will, go oov/fantasy), then a #1 peak would look really out of place for him.
I won't even bother making a list, since a lot is determined by FBH/Bisu and Nada/Free, and of course Fantasy/Stork.
You obviosly underestimate JD, i don't want to take away anything from Savior, BUT if JD could keep the level of play he is capable of for several months he would be named very quickly the best Zerg of the history. Unfortunately one of his MUs suffers sometimes like his ZvP back then, his ZvT after getting crushed by Flash, and when he pulls himself together and all of his MUs look very good or unstoppable shit happens to him, like losing to 2 well prepared nonames in PL (the game against sangho, damn, that attack was very well tought) and getting knocked out of MSL by a good, solid player on tough maps. Ok it may sound i make it look JD's losses were caused by circumstantes, and they arent his fault, i dont want to do that, it's still bad performence, it's still condamnable.
What i try to say is if he would perform continuosly as he can, right now we would call him the Bonjwa. Seriously, do you know anybody who is a favorite against JD, right now? He lost to Free, it was an upset, lost to PL-noobies even bigger upsets, but he's still the best zerg, still he would be the safest bet vs anybody, at least to me. And i wonder who would be the player who gets more liquibet bets (sounds stupid?) against him when they face each other. Stork s fanbase (which i think trippled in lost few weeks) may be able to do that, bul still i'm not sure.
Of course, same goes for Flash, he looked the second Oov, if he lost to a very good XvT a game people called it an upset, everybody was asking who will be the one to stop him. Well, he stopped himself.
The reason i say JD>Flash, considering history and everything, is that JD started do be dominant sooner, and he still is slightly better. This month Flash looked better than last month, last month i would have given him rank 8 or so. As for now i should leave him at 6. JD? Him on 3th or 4th, not because his stat (with 6-5 u dont really enter CBNC) nor because he would be the safe bet against anybody (than i should put him on 1st, right?), but because his play did not decrease too much, but his achievments doesnt allow putting him higher, but his play doesnt allow putting him lower. I'm hoping this was only a tough month, and he will come and show he's the man.
The one thing JD and Flash has in common they get overconfident. Flash played safe, turtling or going for early pressure but not all in to make the opponent waste resources, but he got confident and started to go 14 CC against everyone. As for JD, his early game tactics payed off, he tried some wierd build, some of them worked out surprisingly well. As result JD got a bit comfortable, he thinks he can do what others cannot, like goind guardians when they arent needed, dropping from a direction where very likely are corsairs, because of the guardian-danger. I hope this losses put JD's feets back on the earth, and he will do what is needed to win a game.
What you told about the maps, i agree with it mostly, however Byzantium is imbalanced, somedbody wrote a post about it i'm sure, dunno where tough, but JD could still go standard on it, he can afford that.
About the 1st place on PR, you're right again there.
And yes, i am a Jaedong fan, however i can form objective opinions, maybe this post isn't the best example, cuz it contains many personal hopes and beliefs, but i really did my best to be as objective as possible in some of my posts.
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On October 29 2008 14:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2008 09:56 nujabes wrote:
EDIT: there are spoilers for those who haven't watched the most recent games
my rankings would be the following:
1. Stork - I never really liked him but the man is playing really well and as consistent as a progamer can get. He deserves the #1 ranking regardless of winning the osl finals just for playing so damn great up until now. His current score in October is 14-5 with losses to tough opponents like Bisu, Best, and ForGG
2. Jaedong - Although he was eliminated from both leagues, Jaedong is still a monster and is still one of the top players of today
3.Bisu - I know that Bisu seems a little high up and I guess you can say that Im a partial fanboy as well. However, Bisu has been playing really consistent as of late, with his pvp and pvt being revamped. The only person that was able to take a bo3 out of Bisu lately was Stork with a really close 2-1 win. He has also showed us that his macro and PvT in general improved with the dismantling of Hwasin. He has also been a very reliable player in the proleague, unlike the period of time where he was considered a bonjwa. His current score of October is 10-3
4. Fantasy - He is in the finals of the OSL by destroying ggplay 3-1 as well as winning a couple of convincing TvT series. However, I dont think that fantasy has the ability to play as well as the top 3, considering that he caught ggplay offguard with the well timed mech build and couldn't win with a standard build.
5. BeSt - He is a monster at proleagues and boasted a PvP winning streak of 13 games until the OSL Semifinals. However, his PvZ is still pretty bad compared to the other top protoss players, and he was not able to prove his PvP supremacy to Stork. His PvT is still great though and he has decent odds at beating just about any non-zerg player.
6. Free - Pretty has been the backbone of whatever is left of his team. Having a 6-2 record in the proleague and winning a bo3 against jaedong, Free is showing just how damn good he can be when in form. Unfortunately, Free is known to be very inconsistent so we can only wait and watch how he does in the future.
7. FBH - Firebathero is another player that I don't particularly like. However, after cruising through the group of aiur and losing only to a in-form free and best (out of his protoss opponents). FBH is showing that he's definitely a threat. I'm just hoping that Bisu will demolish him so we don't have to bear any more ceremonies.
8. flash - Yes, flash has been eliminated from both leagues and has lost games due to his predictable 14cc build. Despite his recent losses, flash is still alive and winning in the proleague, carrying KTF on his back with the help of Luxury. I would probably vote flash against anyone who isn't ranked above him in a bo3.
9. SaviOr - SaviOr has delivered his fans a couple yawn rapes after boldly stating that he would destroy everyone in 2009. Being 5-1 in October not counting blizzcon (which he was undefeated in), the maestro is picking up momentum. Losing to a very seasoned ZvZ player such as Yarnc is not a big deal and I'm giving savior the benefit of the doubt due to his past experience and capability.
10 - Honestly I'm not sure who I would put in here. The only names that come up in mind are Leta who is 6-2 in the proleague for October, Luxury who has been 5-1 in the proleague, or GGplay. Although GGplay lost to Fantasy in the semifinals, the maps being played were very terrible for zerg. Fantasy also prepared a build that GGplay did not expect and couldn't react correctly to. However, GGplay did manage to show us his impressive hive tech management during the third game of the bo5. GGplay has lost the last 2 proleague games and has me wondering whether he will fall into mediocrity once more. I disagree alot. Mine would look more like this: 1.Stork 2.BeSt 3.Jaedong 4.by.Fantasy 5.Bisu 6.Free 7.firebathero 8.Kal 9.by.Flash 10.Yellow I think it's too early to put sAviOr in the PR. Those last 3 spots would be tough for me, I don't watch enough SC to really make up my mind. That's why oneother and FS do the rank, not any of us.
there's just no way best can be second. you can make a case for fantasy being above jaedong (though i can only see this happening if he takes down stork), but best 1 - doesn't have untouchable pvp, nor the best pvp in the world; 2 - is (relatively speaking) bad at corsair reaver; 3 - is an underdog head to head vs jaedong. like i said last month about stork, it would take jaedong to fall even further, or best to actually win something, or a h2h series for him to possibly be ranked above jaedong.
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United States10774 Posts
Why would Jaedong be placed higher than Fantasy? Higher than Bisu/BeSt? What has Jaedong done lately?
EDIT: Because Jaedong's placement is hard to determine for this month, I just want to hear arguments for both sides. As of now, I don't see how Jaedong would be above any of those guys..
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United States10328 Posts
what I think -
1.Stork (providing he beats fantasy; otherwise... like... 2 or 3)
2.Jaedong (maybe needs to step up his game a bit?)
3.BeSt (improve pvz please)
4.Fantasy (could go up if beats stork)
5.Free (DAMN free has been good lately. 11-3 in october.)
6.Bisu (if he beats fbh and wins PL games in good fashion)
7.Flash (flash is doing pretty well in PL)
8.FBH (maybe not for long if he loses to bisu...)
9.Kal (dude his last ace match was apparently not bad)
10.Yarnc (or Lux - I guess it depends on Yarnc vs Jangbi result? Lux's ZvP is far better :O but yarnc's results have been better lately)
well like... jaedong has the power of inertia supporting him. been at the top too long
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Yes,Jaedong had a difficult month. But dropping him lower then 4 would be sacrilege. Flash sucked since his loss to Luxury,but he was never dropped down lower than 6,although at some point,he lost to every toss players out there. I am very disappointed at Jd,but who would you place above him? If Best had beaten Stork,it would be justified,that both of them would be placed above JD. But now,that Best lost his best MU,there is no justification to put him above Jaedong. Jaedong lost two matches in his best Mu too,therefore their equal in this point of view. Not to mention,that Z v Z is still more of a luckfest,then P v P,so losing two games isn't that horrible. Yes,Jd lost to Sangho and Free,but Best loses all the time to zergs,and I would still consider Jd a favourite vs any Protoss,while I would not place Best as a favourite versus any zerg. So there is no way in hell that Best shoul be put higher. The only player,who could get there,is Fantasy,but right now,even him only if he beats Stork with like 3-0. Look at his games. Recently he lost two very important games vs mediocre players in Proleague. He was rolled out of the Msl by a terran,which is supposed to be his strongest MU,and a mediocre toss,Tempest. I think him qualifying in the osl finals is similar of July's,he didn't beat any great player to get there. I mean seriously. He beat Backho,and he beat Sea,who is a shell of his former self,but lost to the only good player he played,Stork. He beat Mind 2-1,but that was his strongest Mu,and Mind isn't his former self either. His mech build vs GGplay was brilliant,but again,GGplay is a shell of his former self(watch his games in the Pl,and even beating Flash wasn't that impressive),and that build is getting countered lately. So Fantasy is out of the way too. But then,who would you place above Jaedong? Bisu is not there yet,although I really hope,he will reach that level again. Flash had some good victories in the proleague,but he is still not his former self. Free hasn't proved enough yet,he will have to win other games,and I can't even think of others. So in my biased opinion,although I feel I made valid arguments, Jd should still be no2.
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United States10774 Posts
Jaedong above BeSt?
Which sounds better
1) Jaedong losing to Free and SangHo, who are mediocre PvZ at best, in MSL Ro16. Disappointing losses in his best matchup, ZvZ.
2) BeSt losing to Stork, who has been UNSTOPPABLE lately, in OSL semifinals. What is BeSt's record in proleague?
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United States10774 Posts
I like Jaedong but I am just playing devil's advocate
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You forget that Best lost to Keke. That's not impressive either. And he lost to another Zerg too,hmmm,what's his name,can't really remember,ahm,is that Jaeding? Yeah! It's Jaedong! Jaedong personally beat him! And not 2 months ago,like he did with Stork. He beat him this month. And Free is a fucking great player,he has really good records too lately,so that's not a shame either. And okay,Stork is better,but Jd's series were much more closer,Best never had a good chance after winning game 1. Of course,I hate arguing about which one should be above the other,because i like them both,but I still think Jaedong is more intimidating right now,and he already proved,that despite having difficult months,he can keep his shape. There were several moments,when he lost to every terran he played,but after that,he still reached Msl final and won Gom and Wcg. Jaedong proved he can bounce back from slumps,and we do not yet know that about Best. And the other thing,a player of his caliber should really have at least one victory.
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On October 30 2008 04:58 OneOther wrote:
Jaedong above BeSt?
Which sounds better
1) Jaedong losing to Free and SangHo, who are mediocre PvZ at best, in MSL Ro16. Disappointing losses in his best matchup, ZvZ.
2) BeSt losing to Stork, who has been UNSTOPPABLE lately, in OSL semifinals. What is BeSt's record in proleague?
1) Free as mediocre PvZ? Do you consider free a mediocre player? PvZ It's his best mu statwise, but he s good in every mu so it doesnt matter that much, BUT what matters since october he is 6-1 loosing that single game to JD. If he's mediocre PvZ, name plz 3 better PvZ. Loosing to yarnc, not a shame there, yarnc is arguably the 2nd best Zerg around, if there woudnt be his crappy ZvP... but luxury's ZvP is just as bad... The losses against RoRo and Sangho. Sangho attack was perfect imo, still a huge and unberable upset. Roro... well he got the bo adavantage, but that doesnt matter cuz JD can win in any situation. So yeah, that's a shame.
2) Best's best mu is PvP 15 win streak, that's waht i would call unstoppable, it was an upset that Stork beat him 3-1 (dont argue pls this, it's my opinion, and a lot of people agree with it, others dont, pls dont take on this). He's doing very well in PL, but he had embaressing losses too, and he has a quite weak MU.
As for the PR, who would i put ahead of JD. If we count the MSL ro8 which gonna be played on the first days of october.
Stork- no questions, its hard to argue with results
Fantasy- only if he beats stork, or makes a wonderful 2-3 loss (not likely)
Best- not better than JD, only reason besides good results, to punish JD not doing what he should
Bisu- if he owns FBH, and the other reason is the same as Best's
Free- if he owns Nada, other reason above.
Other than Stork really doesn't deserve to be above JD right now, but i say if JD is loosing he should be put lower for a month, than watch and enjoy how he takes back the first place.
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1. Stork
2. Best
3. Fantasy
4. Bisu
5. Jaedong
6. Free
7. FBH
8. Jangbi
9. Flash
10. Kal
Seriously people, stop overlooking Jangbi, and stop overevaluating Jaedong. Flash was dropped too slowly on the PR, he was not top 3 for the last few months, lets not make the same mistake with Jaedong. Hes playing substandard, drop him to that level. If he plays well next month, its a come back, not a continuation of his already existing play. Flash is still doing well in PL, and all odds are, he will go far in GOM. Jangbi has shown very strong results all in all lately- Kal is a bit of another case. He's in the MSL, hes done well there, hes done well in PL- but hes also done bad in PL/and msl [inconsistent is what im saying]. No one else really deserves it more, so Kal barely clinches it. The rest is just kind of obvious, Bisu/fbh/free have been on fire, Best is still a strong player, and Fantasy while going far in OSL hasn't shown the trust consistency required to declare him the second best in the entire world. Yet.
So there you have it; the correct Power Rank.
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On October 30 2008 05:42 Dazed_Spy wrote:1. Stork 2. Best 3. Fantasy 4. Bisu 5. Jaedong 6. Free 7. FBH 8. Jangbi 9. Flash 10. Kal Seriously people, stop overlooking Jangbi, and stop overevaluating Jaedong. Flash was dropped too slowly on the PR, he was not top 3 for the last few months, lets not make the same mistake with Jaedong. Hes playing substandard, drop him to that level. If he plays well next month, its a come back, not a continuation of his already existing play. Flash is still doing well in PL, and all odds are, he will go far in GOM. Jangbi has shown very strong results all in all lately- Kal is a bit of another case. He's in the MSL, hes done well there, hes done well in PL- but hes also done bad in PL/and msl [inconsistent is what im saying]. No one else really deserves it more, so Kal barely clinches it. The rest is just kind of obvious, Bisu/fbh/free have been on fire, Best is still a strong player, and Fantasy while going far in OSL hasn't shown the trust consistency required to declare him the second best in the entire world. Yet. So there you have it; the correct Power Rank.
you cant drop Forgg from PR, his only "bad" performence was lossing to Stork 2-1, other than that he's kicking asses
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