EPTPower Rank 06/02/2007 - Page 3
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ChaosKnight
United States819 Posts
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ChApFoU
France2982 Posts
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pat777
United States356 Posts
Oh btw, djetterstyle is rank 1 in liquibet. He truly deserves to decide the rankings with his liquibet skill. | ||
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bearnet2001
Argentina335 Posts
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
i personally think flash should be put into the rankings instead of one of the last 3, but i have to agree that he hasnt played that many games. however, in the games he has played save the one against savior, hes looked untouchable. | ||
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Butigroove
Seychelles2061 Posts
On June 02 2007 19:06 kw31 wrote: The guy couldn't handle a tech tree past a spawning pool man And its WORKING for him. | ||
Mynock
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Presony-Boy
Israel812 Posts
perfect. hope hwasin will go up | ||
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boghat
United States2109 Posts
2. July hasn't played enough games really to be on the PR yet. He gets the nod simply because he is July which shouldn't happen. The other big names like Bisu, Savior, iloveoov, and Nal_rA actually have a bunch of games to back up their greatness. 3. Reach gets extra bias because he is Reach. Yes he has played good lately but I still don't think he should be on the PR yet. You say for example that FBH isn't on because he's only shown good TvTs lately but the same is true of Reach and PvT. There is a very obvious July and Reach bias on this PR but since they have shown really good games recently it's forgivable. Savior won the OSL last season. Bisu won the MSL. Bisu happened to beat Savior 3-0 in the MSL. Bisu beat Savior in a Superfight Race Wars game which meant nothing. Bisu beat Savior 2-1 in the WWI which meant nothing. Other than that Savior has looked as impressive or more so than Bisu. How long can you keep Bisu over Savior just for the fucking MSL win? Savior won the OSL and came in second in the MSL within the same week. Everyone knows I'm a huge Savior fan but it doesn't matter because whether I'm a fan or not Savior deserves number 1 right now. Your justification that Bisu looks like he could win both leagues is dumb as Savior looks the same way and there's really no other reason to keep Bisu at number 1. In the last 2 weeks Savior is 1-0 against 3rd ranked Stork and Bisu is 0-1 against Stork. Please please Etter give me a real reason Bisu is ranked above Savior. Bottom 3 are pretty hard to actually have accurately though so I don't mind those and the rest of the ranking I had exactly as you but stop giving Bisu so much credit over Savior. Remember when you ranked Anytime higher than Nada even though Nada beat him in the OSL? Stop giving Bisu so much unquestioned credit, Savior has been impressive for a lot longer than BeeSuit. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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neotoss
China217 Posts
Boghat: Although BISU has some bad Proleague results and even if Superfight and WWI are unofficial events, Bisu just continue to prove that he can beat SAVIOR. I don't know which other protoss nowadays can win BO5 or BO3 game against SAVIOR. I don't know how the results from proleague is counted in PR, but as mentioned in the PR, it is difficult. | ||
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berated-
United States1134 Posts
On June 03 2007 06:39 boghat wrote: Savior won the OSL last season. Bisu won the MSL. Bisu happened to beat Savior 3-0 in the MSL. Bisu beat Savior in a Superfight Race Wars game which meant nothing. Bisu beat Savior 2-1 in the WWI which meant nothing. Other than that Savior has looked as impressive or more so than Bisu. How long can you keep Bisu over Savior just for the fucking MSL win? Savior won the OSL and came in second in the MSL within the same week. Everyone knows I'm a huge Savior fan but it doesn't matter because whether I'm a fan or not Savior deserves number 1 right now. Your justification that Bisu looks like he could win both leagues is dumb as Savior looks the same way and there's really no other reason to keep Bisu at number 1. In the last 2 weeks Savior is 1-0 against 3rd ranked Stork and Bisu is 0-1 against Stork. I too am a huge savior fan but I also disagree that as of this moment savior should be ranked higher than bisu. Both of these guys are clearly at the top of progaming right now without a question; the only people who even come close to challenging them are stork and hwasin, neither of which deserve the top spot nod because they haven't been pounding out the results for as long and consistently like savior and bisu. So that leaves you sitting there trying to decide who is number 1. If you go to proleague neither one of them have played well, it is actually quite disgusting how bad these two super stars have played. Both of them are playing well in individual leagues, so what exactly has proven that savior is now playing so much better to deserve the #1 ranking? Is it possible that savior is still better than bisu, sure of course I believe it is true. I believe that savior is the complete package while Bisu is closer to a one trick pony than a superstar, but the thing of it is he keeps winning. With this being said, the fact still remains that savior has been given three (?) chances to prove himself against bisu and just continues to not be able to do so. Last but not least, this isn't a professional ranking system. Etter is in first place and has been doing this for a while; he knows what he's talking about but its still somewhat personal preference. Savior could easily take over the #1 ranking but he just has to remove his mental block and finally get over the bisu hump. | ||
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Jathin
United States3505 Posts
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PissedOffEmo
Canada777 Posts
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DJEtterStyle
United States2766 Posts
On June 03 2007 12:07 PissedOffEmo wrote: Is proleague equivalent to season games? No. All other things being equal... OSL > MSL > PL > SuperFight (or other Korean invitational) > WCG. | ||
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DJEtterStyle
United States2766 Posts
On June 03 2007 06:39 boghat wrote: 2. July hasn't played enough games really to be on the PR yet. He gets the nod simply because he is July which shouldn't happen. The other big names like Bisu, Savior, iloveoov, and Nal_rA actually have a bunch of games to back up their greatness. 3. Reach gets extra bias because he is Reach. Yes he has played good lately but I still don't think he should be on the PR yet. You say for example that FBH isn't on because he's only shown good TvTs lately but the same is true of Reach and PvT. There is a very obvious July and Reach bias on this PR but since they have shown really good games recently it's forgivable. It's not just that they've shown good games. These are championship players. Of course I'm going to give them preference over players like Flash and Firebathero; Reach and July have actually, at some point in their careers, accomplished something, which points to their ability to do it again. You can't say that about Flash and Firebathero. Please please Etter give me a real reason Bisu is ranked above Savior. Because both look unstoppable, and Savior has never managed to beat Bisu. If Bisu slips up or Savior manages to beat him, I'll rethink things. At this point, though, Bisu and Savior are in good position to win both Starleagues, and if they went head to head, I'd have to call Bisu the favorite, given their history. Jathin said it best: On June 03 2007 10:18 Jathin wrote: Bisu was rightfully #1 last month, while Savior was rightfully #2. Both of them are unstoppable in the MSL and OSL. Remind me again why we should flip #2 with #1 then, rather than keeping them as-is? | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
Savior won the OSL last season. Bisu won the MSL. Bisu happened to beat Savior 3-0 in the MSL. Right, so Savior goes to #2, and Bisu goes to #1. Bisu beat Savior in a Superfight Race Wars game which meant nothing. Bisu beat Savior 2-1 in the WWI which meant nothing. Other than that Savior has looked as impressive or more so than Bisu. Let me get this right. Bisu beats Savior twice in highly-publicized, nationally-televised tournaments with rather large sums of money at stake. They haven't played again. Therefore it's just obvious that Savior should go ahead of Bisu! How long can you keep Bisu over Savior just for the fucking MSL win? Savior won the OSL and came in second in the MSL within the same week. hahahahhahahahahhahahahah I am amazed you can utter those two sentences right next to each other and see nothing wrong with that Everyone knows I'm a huge Savior fan but it doesn't matter because whether I'm a fan or not Savior deserves number 1 right now. Your justification that Bisu looks like he could win both leagues is dumb as Savior looks the same way and there's really no other reason to keep Bisu at number 1. Almost 90% done with the post and you still haven't given any reason why Savior should be above Bisu, except that Savior won OSL and was 2nd in MSL, while Bisu merely beat Savior to win his MSL - which you tell us to forget because it was too long ago. In the last 2 weeks Savior is 1-0 against 3rd ranked Stork and Bisu is 0-1 against Stork. Aha, finally. Okay, I'll grant you that - even though it is Proleague, and your chances at making a case for Savior being #1 would not fare well resting on Savior's proleague record. That having been said, it is the one player who has beaten Bisu but not Savior - and honestly, losing a PvP vs winning a ZvP, is that so outrageous? But you know what really draws the line for me? Savior has never beaten Bisu. Every time they've met - MSL finals, Race Wars, WWI - Bisu has wiped the floor with Savior. Given that, you're gonna need some truly breathtaking evidence to justify ranking Savior over a player he simply can't beat. You're obviously still drunk on the legend of the invicible Savior, dating to about pre-MSL final. That's gone now. Savior isn't Federer anymore - he's a Roddick or Hewitt. Still one of the best players in the world, but no longer the overwhelming favorite to win anywhere, anytime, against anyone. | ||
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Butigroove
Seychelles2061 Posts
On June 03 2007 10:18 Jathin wrote: You said Bisu lost to Stork. Yeah, well, Savior lost even worse to GoRush. Or should we now account for the fact that he's playing T? See where I'm going with this? It turns into this gray area that's very subjective and hard to come up with concrete standards to follow. Oh cmon, yes we should account for the fact that he was playing T. I'd like to see Bisu play GoRush with an off race and not get crushed? SaviOr was just having fun, and trying to keep the game interesting to him. Above all, he didn't do it in some small ass tournament, this is the MSL. Did you see him crush the next two he played? It's almost as if he was so confident that he could beat them that he didn't care about his game with GoRush. Did you see his huge smile after losing? | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On June 03 2007 13:27 Butigroove wrote: Oh cmon, yes we should account for the fact that he was playing T. I'd like to see Bisu play GoRush with an off race and not get crushed? SaviOr was just having fun, and trying to keep the game interesting to him. Above all, he didn't do it in some small ass tournament, this is the MSL. Did you see him crush the next two he played? It's almost as if he was so confident that he could beat them that he didn't care about his game with GoRush. Did you see his huge smile after losing? yeah and who where the other 2players he had to beat? EXACTLY they were nobodies. | ||
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