• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 02:21
CEST 08:21
KST 15:21
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon5[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway13
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues22LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments3Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw?39Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris76
StarCraft 2
General
Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy [G] How to watch Korean progamer Streams. Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast
Brood War
General
alas... i aint gon' lie to u bruh... BW General Discussion [ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ The Korean Terminology Thread
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group B [ASL20] Ro16 Group A [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Is there English video for group selection for ASL
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Iron Harvest: 1920+ Nintendo Switch Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Collective Intelligence: Tea…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1423 users

What do you think of the Starleague's best of one Ro32 for…

Forum Index > Polls & Liquibet
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 Next All
Maegi
Profile Joined January 2013
Finland174 Posts
June 18 2013 09:50 GMT
#21
I think Bo1's can be exciting and have more chances of upsets, however it sucks when a good/popular player makes a stupid mistake and has no chance to play better in the next games.
NaNiwa <3
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
June 18 2013 12:56 GMT
#22
I hate this bo1 format since broodwar t_t
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
June 18 2013 14:04 GMT
#23
Am I the only one who thinks it's a good thing we have both (Bo3 and Bo1) in different leagues ? Bo1s make for interesting games (look at today's games !) and can be very entertaining due to the fact that there's one map to prepare for (thus ensuring carefully tailored builds, and a very good map knowledge from the players).

And Bo3 are intersting because small series enable the mindgames that comes with multiple-games series.
LiquipediaWanderer
LowEloPlayer
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States205 Posts
June 18 2013 14:17 GMT
#24
On June 18 2013 09:42 datcirclejerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2013 08:57 Oiseaux wrote:
Bo1's shouldn't exist in SC2 in anything deeper than a Ro128, potentially a Ro64.

Agreed. Because the game is fundamentally flawed and has a significant luck component, unfortunately.


What are you talking about? What is this fundamental flaw? That not all maps are completely balanced? Or that people can win with cheese? I agree that the Bo1 format is pretty stupid, but what "fundamental" luck is there?
hmm... let's think about it
NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-18 15:24:56
June 18 2013 15:23 GMT
#25
on one hand its stupid as hell:

*I love the way a bo3 plans out, the mindgames and the way the players plan the series and not just for one game.

*a bo1 is obviously more luckbased and all-ins/cheese will be more rewarding.

*We wont see players adapt to their opponent on the fly in the same way.

*Maps will have a huge impact.

On the other hand:

*Maps will have a huge impact

*more players will be shown in one Cast.

* groupstage wont take as much time which means that we'll be done with the bo1 silliness rather quickly.

Im actually surprised that WCS kr is allowed to use a different setup than EU and AM.

Vanimar
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
220 Posts
June 18 2013 15:42 GMT
#26
Never liked it in BW, don't like it here.
They should seriously consider changing it. Change is possible you know, women may vote these days, men can care for children and some amerikans are atheists.
We have to believe that change for the better is possible, even in Kespa!
I figured out the EG Curse. It was set in motion by Voodoo Shamans working for Millenium. Whenever EG aquires a player, Voodoo energies start slowly draining skill from the EG guy into an Millenium newcomer. Think about it!
Skytt
Profile Joined June 2011
Scotland333 Posts
June 18 2013 16:36 GMT
#27
It's the way it's been ran since the days when non-Koreans could win Starleagues, they aren't going to change it.
Talionis
Profile Joined November 2010
Scotland4085 Posts
June 18 2013 16:50 GMT
#28
Hmm.
With the GSL clusterfuck groups, not only do you have to practice for your opening map and matchup, you also have no idea what other maps you'll actually be playing. Add on the fact that you have to play one or two more series that day against opponents that aren't predetermined with such a selection of maps to play. eugh.

More room for highly practiced builds, both standard and unorthodox. I'm cool with it. It's a nice change of pace.
YuiHirasawa
Profile Joined August 2012
Japan220 Posts
June 18 2013 16:55 GMT
#29
I wish it was 2011 again. GSL, great lesser tournaments like Mlg and dreamhack and above all no kespa (and its players)
Fun things are fun
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-18 17:17:34
June 18 2013 17:16 GMT
#30
Hate it. It's not necessarily even just because of upsets it just all feels so underwhelming. Like a watered down GSL. From the last OSL, we didn't have too many upsets but the games sure sucked.

You don't get to even see if a player can adapt to his opponents over the course of several games and maps. I mean we've had numerous series where a player gets totally bopped in game 1 but then mounts a comeback in the series or at least makes it competitive. bo1 leaves me feeling like I don't have a good snapshot on the players and usually the first game of the series isn't the best.
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19256 Posts
June 18 2013 17:25 GMT
#31
On June 19 2013 02:16 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Hate it. It's not necessarily even just because of upsets it just all feels so underwhelming. Like a watered down GSL. From the last OSL, we didn't have too many upsets but the games sure sucked.

You don't get to even see if a player can adapt to his opponents over the course of several games and maps. I mean we've had numerous series where a player gets totally bopped in game 1 but then mounts a comeback in the series or at least makes it competitive. bo1 leaves me feeling like I don't have a good snapshot on the players and usually the first game of the series isn't the best.

Can't reference the last OSL where Kespa was very underwhelming in experience. And todays games were great. Did you not think so?
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Lazzi
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1923 Posts
June 18 2013 17:25 GMT
#32
On June 18 2013 14:09 Vault Boy wrote:
Its this "GomTV does BO3 so we do something different" again...

Dude, OSL has been using this format for years. This has nothing to do with GSL.
It's good to be back
datcirclejerk
Profile Joined June 2013
89 Posts
June 18 2013 17:36 GMT
#33
On June 18 2013 23:17 LowEloPlayer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2013 09:42 datcirclejerk wrote:
On June 18 2013 08:57 Oiseaux wrote:
Bo1's shouldn't exist in SC2 in anything deeper than a Ro128, potentially a Ro64.

Agreed. Because the game is fundamentally flawed and has a significant luck component, unfortunately.


What are you talking about? What is this fundamental flaw? That not all maps are completely balanced? Or that people can win with cheese? I agree that the Bo1 format is pretty stupid, but what "fundamental" luck is there?

Well, in part, it is the fact that incomplete information can lead to build order losses. But this is only the most glaring flaw. The rest I don't feel like arguing.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Schopenhauer
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
June 18 2013 20:19 GMT
#34
On June 19 2013 02:36 datcirclejerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2013 23:17 LowEloPlayer wrote:
On June 18 2013 09:42 datcirclejerk wrote:
On June 18 2013 08:57 Oiseaux wrote:
Bo1's shouldn't exist in SC2 in anything deeper than a Ro128, potentially a Ro64.

Agreed. Because the game is fundamentally flawed and has a significant luck component, unfortunately.


What are you talking about? What is this fundamental flaw? That not all maps are completely balanced? Or that people can win with cheese? I agree that the Bo1 format is pretty stupid, but what "fundamental" luck is there?

Well, in part, it is the fact that incomplete information can lead to build order losses. But this is only the most glaring flaw. The rest I don't feel like arguing.

You can easily avoid the chances of a build order loss by picking a wellrounded build.
Refer to my post.
why
Profile Joined May 2009
United States215 Posts
June 18 2013 23:18 GMT
#35
I love it, each game means so much more. There aren't those lame game 2's when some big name player crushed a lesser known player in game 1 and you already know the outcome of the series but you have to sit through another game. With this, everyone could advance because all a new player needs is one well executed cheese to beat the big namer. Also makes it easier for new players to get some name recognition.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33426 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-18 23:21:26
June 18 2013 23:20 GMT
#36
I'm neutral about it, but I kind of wish they'd find a way to save more time if they're playing fewer matches

they are cutting down on match day lengths, but it could be even more!
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Cam Connor
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada786 Posts
June 18 2013 23:24 GMT
#37
it's ok in a skill-based game like BW, doesn't work as well in luck-based sc2

User was temp banned for this post.
post to be
TL+ Member
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
June 18 2013 23:50 GMT
#38
to be fair they did change to bo7s later on because they recognize SC2's volatility. i'm pretty sure it's mostly to save time, LOL is their main priority
esReveR
Profile Joined February 2010
United States567 Posts
June 19 2013 10:50 GMT
#39
Bo1 is a poor choice. I want to see the best players competing, not the luckiest.
Skill is relative.
hoburame
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands48 Posts
June 19 2013 12:06 GMT
#40
Bear in mind that Blizzard has the rights to stop them from doing everything that they are now doing.

Blizzard just makes a league to unify the skill, have great story lines and create a well known pro league franchise in the Starcraft 2 world. The league in KR will be run with both OGN and GomTV.
So far so good.

And then:

Maps are not the same in every league. What is the unity in there ? The players don't even play on the same field !
And now, OGN is allowed to run an other format than the WCS. Unify everything to just blow it all over again ?

So you make a league and you don't standardize anything... You make things global and unfair. How is this a league I can trust to bring the best champion forward ? How is this even one league ? You are basically making 3 open brackets for the major event you want to hold and change the rules of every bracket to enter the main event. ( I would give so much to see some major tourney doing this and watch the community react. )

What is Blizzard doing in all this ? I want to know and have updates on what they are doing to fix this but they are not publicly announcing anything.

When you set up a league, you have to monitor it. You announced it, you promised something good and unifying, now you better make it happen. This is how real professionals would do it. This looks even worse than amateur work. It's nothing to be proud of.
Be fucking professionals guys and make it happen. Or pay me, I'll gladly do it.
Prev 1 2 3 4 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
00:00
Mid Season Playoffs #2
ReBellioN vs PAPI
Spirit vs TBD
Percival vs TBD
TriGGeR vs TBD
Shameless vs UedSoldier
Cham vs TBD
Harstem vs TBD
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 170
ProTech7
StarCraft: Brood War
sSak 694
Leta 248
Backho 65
actioN 60
Movie 29
Noble 24
Bale 15
Icarus 7
League of Legends
JimRising 658
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K881
Other Games
WinterStarcraft620
C9.Mang0377
Mew2King123
semphis_63
NotJumperer1
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1118
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• OhrlRock 4
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo897
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
3h 39m
Cure vs SHIN
Reynor vs Zoun
Kung Fu Cup
5h 39m
TaeJa vs SHIN
ByuN vs Creator
The PondCast
6h 39m
RSL Revival
1d 3h
Classic vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs Maru
Online Event
1d 5h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 5h
BSL Team Wars
1d 12h
RSL Revival
2 days
Maestros of the Game
2 days
ShoWTimE vs Classic
Clem vs herO
Serral vs Bunny
Reynor vs Zoun
Cosmonarchy
2 days
Bonyth vs Dewalt
[ Show More ]
[BSL 2025] Weekly
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Maestros of the Game
3 days
BSL Team Wars
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Snow vs Sharp
Jaedong vs Mini
Wardi Open
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Light vs Speed
Larva vs Soma
LiuLi Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Copa Latinoamericana 4
SEL Season 2 Championship
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL Polish World Championship 2025
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
EC S1
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.