On March 15 2012 03:23 anoit7 wrote:
Toss so strong Terran OP to and Zerg are not strong at all

give me a hydra and queen buff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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PixelNite

France1008 Posts

March 14 2012 18:40 GMT

#129

Overall, the game is balanced and in the several competitions since 2012, I think every race is well represented.Though, there's like a triangle between the races in late game right now, where P>T and Z>P

Geo.Rion

7377 Posts

March 14 2012 18:45 GMT

#130

easiest poll ever, Protoss

GodZo

Italy224 Posts

March 14 2012 18:51 GMT

#131

Protoss is OP or MC is the Boss?

http://www.mystarcraft.de/de/edb/ranking/prizes

If we consider another anayisis in Korea,

MC is the only one that won a GSL tournament, and he did it two times.

Inca and Genius got 2 Silver Medals.

Terran won 9 Gold Medal and 10 Silver, Zerg won 7 Gold Medal and 6 Silver, Toss won 2 and 2.

NOW, 42% of players say protoss is the strongest race? Just because the last month Protoss go slightly over 50% winrate, ilike 51 o 52...

Sssoul

5 Posts

March 14 2012 18:52 GMT

#132

Honestly zerg is the stongest if you know how to use it, like com on fungals, infetsed mariens, banes broodlords, queens
fungals are three times better then storms when you get hit by it u cant move, 10infestors can spawn so many infested terrans that buildings disappear, banes walking mines that combine great with fungals, broodlords spawinming even more units that dont require energy or money, queens to heal all the vitals units and the macro in eraly game with three hatches and injects you can make so much units that its crazy but you have to know how to use them

edit: forgot to add the cheapest unit zergling that comes in 2
Toss user here

doffe

Sweden636 Posts

March 14 2012 19:03 GMT

#133

On March 14 2012 13:49 samurai80 wrote:

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I really agree with this. Obviously micro is always important, but in the case of protoss because of the units cost, it's always very hard to recover from a micro miss on the battle field, harder than for the other races imo.

Anyway I think the game is balanced, every race has strong and weak points. It would be interesting to do this poll with random players only.

well, as a mostly randomplayer Id still chose protoss. But I do think that the closer we come to perfect play the more it start getting to terran again, atleast in the TvP MU. A PERFECTLY (its not likely but still) microed terran army in a late game engagement beats a toss army. The big difference is how much you need to put in regarding unit management. As terran you need to work alot harder controlling your army endgame then toss and there is where the problem lies imo.

Its the same in say PvZ but for toss in some scenarios. If a toss attacks with chargelots on 3 places the terran needs to micro all 3 places to be even close to effecient the toss does not. if a zerg attacks a toss at 3 places with roaches against stalker/sentry the toss needs to FF/blink on all three to be efficient the zerg does not, although the zerg can be more effecient with some micro but in the TvP example the toss more or less cannot micro.

As I see it the game is balanced in the way that every race have huge strongpoints during the game but it is not balanced in sense of every races superlategame being balanced. there toss wins in all MUs. Before the mammaship PvZ zerg is stronger though but as soon as vortex energy is up toss is and in PvT with both HTs and Collosi again, toss needs alot less control then the terran. Although as I said before, its only toss favored cause the Terrans cant press enough buttons to counter it. Superlategame PvT is alot of chargelots, collosi, HTs and archons wich is basically a-move and T. As terran its snipe/EMP + stutterstep + viking micro. So I wouldnt call toss Imba, I mainly think its to easy lategame and I really hope HoTS fixes this.
And again, a race being somewhat OP lategame doesnt mean imbalance at all if they have several weakpoints during the game. Aslong as win% looks fine at the prolevel the game can be considered balanced and blizzard should be alot more careful in nerfing.. give the metagame a chance to adjust it. And we should never forget the impact maps have on balance! Its not all unitstats.

I would like to see the game going more towards BW in the sense that it is not 2 big balls of death and more alot of small battles over the map.

Talic_Zealot

688 Posts

March 14 2012 19:04 GMT

#134

Right now there seems to be a strongly warped strength curve in the duration of a game in all the matchups. Protoss does seem to come ahead at the end, but I think some big changes in the thinking of Terrans are yet to come and shift everything once more.

doffe

Sweden636 Posts

March 14 2012 19:05 GMT

#135

On March 15 2012 03:40 PixelNite wrote:
Overall, the game is balanced and in the several competitions since 2012, I think every race is well represented.Though, there's like a triangle between the races in late game right now, where P>T and Z>P

nice triangle. :p you missed T>Z to complete it and thats not something I would agree upon after the ghost nerf. and ZvP I really would say toss beats zerg once mammaship is out.

BradenKuntz

Canada59 Posts

March 14 2012 19:09 GMT

#136

I think it's pretty balanced right now. With time, as players begin to grasp a better understanding of Protoss, it will become overpowered in its current state. But at the moment, I feel everything balance-wise is good.

khanan

47 Posts

March 14 2012 19:11 GMT

#137

Delete this poll before this gets out of hand.

FlukyS

Ireland485 Posts

March 14 2012 19:21 GMT

#138

I think its pretty obvious that protoss is pretty sick late game. It seems that no matter how far behind a player gets all they need is archons and a mothership and they win and this is at every level of play. To be honest I don't have a clue how there are 5 of the top 5s in korea and outside of korea are zergs (go check its stephano, nerchio, that russian dude, drg and nestea).

In my own games (I play zerg) most of my games that I win against protoss are base races since I can never ever win in a straight up engaugement even if I harass and macro really well get fast upgrades everything that should win you games. It just seems like you need to be 10 times better than the protoss player to win.

I find terran still a bit too strong with mech which is annoying like mass hellions just mean you cant go ling, tanks mean you cant go roach and like 4 or 5 thors are great against muta and the fact that they can turtle up to make sure of the fact that they counter you is even more frustrating. Id say about 1/5 games are mech but I don't think ive won against a terran player doing that in months. The last time I won was when I did mass roach drop in his main but most of the time you just lose all your drones to them derping up your ramp and killing all your drones even if you have a wall and 3 spines when you scout the mass hellions.

arecognizablename

United States7 Posts

March 14 2012 19:27 GMT

#139

Even me, being out of the loop for three months, still voted toss