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elf_01
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States168 Posts
December 18 2010 07:16 GMT
#101
+ Show Spoiler [Hite v STX] +
Wow, Hydra>Kal in ace, destroys classic in game 3. What's with CJ (well, hite now) Entus and wtfpwnage zergs? After MaJaeYoon went and...yea, Effort comes out and rapes ppl. Effort retires, no problem, Hydra suddenly pops up. I'm impressed :D
STORK//SEA | SAMSUNG KHAN!
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 18 2010 09:53 GMT
#102
I remember back in the day when you only had to win ONE gold medal each season to be bonjwa.

Expectations for Flash are too high imo but I guess he set the bar.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 18 2010 09:55 GMT
#103
On December 17 2010 04:47 Lightwip wrote:
I think Plexa put it well, it's a measure of how good a player is at any given month. Current results count the most, but backtracking a bit is good too just because there may be something relevant(like Flash 3-0 JD).

PR should be the top 10 best players not the top 10 best records. Those are two very different things. Anyone can write the latter and only somebody who watches and understands every game can write the former.

Sometimes the best player doesn't win and the PR has to account for that.

RIP Aaliyah
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
December 18 2010 12:10 GMT
#104
On December 18 2010 18:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I remember back in the day when you only had to win ONE gold medal each season to be bonjwa.

Expectations for Flash are too high imo but I guess he set the bar.


That's what I was thinking. Before Flash's reign of terror started it was quite common even for the best of the best to drop out of one league in exactly the same fashion that Flash did recently. Especially when they had a tough schedule.

Imho, Flash is still the undisputed No.1 until someone beats him in a Bo5. One thing that's funny about Flash is that even though his TvT is statistically still his strongest matchup(although by a small margin) IF he loses to an inferior player, it's usually in a TvT.

Anyways, go grab that 4th OSL kid. Who needs that golden badge anyways...
"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
SimonB
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1088 Posts
December 18 2010 14:00 GMT
#105
Honestly, this doesn't really bother me too much.

Flash has been on the greatest run ever. Second greatest run isn't even CLOSE. (No, Savior fans, whatever vestigial contingent of you still exists. Savior is barely in the same picture.)

Of course you want the streak of starleague finals to go on, but it has to end some time. It's completely unprecedented what Flash did, and he reached an apex with the double win last season. The chances of getting through that many rounds that many times is infinitesimal, but Flash did it.

So, the streak ends, and Flash gets a little less work to do this season.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
December 18 2010 14:47 GMT
#106
Savior's best was close, 1 gold and 1 silver in the same season, though he didn't have the impact on proleague like Flash did.
Remember Violet.
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
December 18 2010 16:08 GMT
#107
Nada made dual finals twice, winning both once.

And Savior won 80% (16-4) of his Proleague games in the 2006 season. CJ simply could not give Savior the support he needed. No team has ever made it to the top of Proleague on the back of just one player. Even Flash and JD, you'll notice that when KT and OZ failed to make it corresponds to when they don't have support. That particular criticism is not fair at all. Proleague is a team effort.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
December 18 2010 17:15 GMT
#108
Wow, 6 out of 7 of Bisu's most recent PvP losses have been to Kal.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
December 18 2010 17:40 GMT
#109
Wow, what happened to Hydra? He just decided to go all godmode on us.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
December 18 2010 19:34 GMT
#110
On December 19 2010 02:40 Lightwip wrote:
Wow, what happened to Hydra? He just decided to go all godmode on us.


It seems like he was actually good and nobody realized it. His only match-up under 50% is ZvZ. His ZvP lifetime history isn't too great, but he debuted back when PvZ was strong. In 2010 he's 13-6 (68%) in ZvP. And he's 11-5 (69%) lifetime vs Terran with about half those games against strong opponents...

He's actually kind of scary.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
December 18 2010 19:47 GMT
#111
SERIOUSLY HYDRA IS BEAST LOL. NO ONE BELIEVED ME AND LOOK AT HIM NOW

User was warned for this post
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
December 18 2010 19:54 GMT
#112
Now that he himself cannot play anymore, the Dark Prince, lurking in the shadows, cleverly devised a plan to control Hydra's mind. He will use his body to take revenge on all those who have wronged him in the past. Or maybe just on everyone, just to satisfy the hunger in his evil soul.


"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
December 18 2010 20:11 GMT
#113
On December 19 2010 04:47 Kenpachi wrote:
SERIOUSLY HYDRA IS BEAST LOL. NO ONE BELIEVED ME AND LOOK AT HIM NOW

Even a broken clock is right twice a day
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
December 19 2010 03:20 GMT
#114
Hydra was always pretty decent to good just that he's so...uninteresting that no one thought much of him, kind of like Light in a way.

Seriously, if you told me to recall games played by Hydra, I wouldn't be able to.
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-19 05:15:27
December 19 2010 05:14 GMT
#115
Great post, thanks for the mid month update. Comments; i'm a little surprised by your use of the word bownja in flash's description, but i won't protest.

I also share your fear for JD loosing his spot.

After shine's been doing so well, i'm still surprsied to see him so high up lol, didn't expect fantasy to drop that low either. Glad to see Kal being up there, he is doing pretty S-Class lately after all.

aaand, HYDRA FIGHTING. No big complaints, great post. thanks.

Lol and half of these posts really are about flash being bownja huh, hahahah.

and Yes Hydra is that good.
~~! youtube.com/xmungam1 !~~
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-19 05:19:41
December 19 2010 05:18 GMT
#116
On December 19 2010 12:20 Womwomwom wrote:
Hydra was always pretty decent to good just that he's so...uninteresting that no one thought much of him, kind of like Light in a way.

Seriously, if you told me to recall games played by Hydra, I wouldn't be able to.

This actually makes a lot of sense o.0
...I can't think of any either.

Wait he did 2-0 like BeSt and Stork or two Dragons last last MSL or something I can't remember?
Whoa I was totally correct Hana Daetoo Ro32 Hydra > Stork and Hydra > BeSt.

Coincidentally he used hydras!
...Hydra busts.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
December 19 2010 07:32 GMT
#117
You know, JD and Fantasy failings are reminiscent of the KT and STX failings at the end of last season: JD is doing quite a bit worse than usual(actually I think he's getting better), but Fantasy drops the ball completely.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
DracoVolantus
Profile Joined February 2010
Poland231 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-19 09:58:09
December 19 2010 09:56 GMT
#118
First thing after obeying president status Bill Clinton wrote a note on his desk,
not to forget about U.S.A. crisis possibility saying ECONOMIC, FOOL!










+ Show Spoiler +
ZERO, FOOL!







EX CATHEDRA!
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
December 19 2010 17:17 GMT
#119
Holy shit.
The ELO gap between Fantasy, Stork, and Bisu is really small.
Are we finally going to have TBLS top 4?
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
December 19 2010 20:31 GMT
#120
On December 18 2010 14:42 MuffinDude wrote:
SC2 is a much faster game than SC1. Watching a BO7 of BW will be long and tiring and not enjoyable. BO5 is fine.


I also think that part of the issue here is that sc2 players doesn't know the game as well as bw-players yet (ofcourse) so they really don't know how to handle the different aggressive openings yet. Most games are so short nowadays but I'm guessing they'll get longer and longer as the strategies develops.

Bo5 is best for BW imo. Makes every game enough important to win while it still is enough games to get in mind games and usually to determine the better player.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
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