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It is quite fascinating to see how most people's PR rankings work. For me, its really hard to place Stork appropriately against top Toss players.
He has been vastly superior to most players over the last few months. No sense arguing that. I'd favor him over most if not every top Zerg and Terran player at the moment. The crux being, however, that once he faces off against a top Toss player, he can't win. His current PvP condition is abysmal, and has been for some time. Taking a quick glance at TLPD confirms that. Stork has gone 11-15 (42%) over the course of 2010. The odds are against him every time. Bisu, Kal, Best, Pure, Free, Horang2, etc. I'd favor every one of them over Stork in a PvP. I'd say the odds get substantially better for Stork in a bo3, but they're still not quite in his favor. That makes rankings hard, for me at least, because I'm still willing to place Stork over the other top two Toss players (Kal/Bisu) due to this month, but were he to play them in a set, I'd be more inclined to put my vote of confidence in Bisu or Kal.
Come to think of it, maybe that makes it easier? There are so few Toss players in leagues, he should go really deep, right? But then there is the possibility Stork and Kal will both win tonight, and then there is the match between Bisu in the MSL. That's just stinky. Two HUGE hurdles for our Dinotoss to overcome. Talk about a rock and a hard place... Just some food for thought.
Hopefully this isn't just a flash in the pan for Stork. Dinotoss fighting!!
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The problem is, who would you rate over Stork? Bisu? Maybe, but Stork has to be rewarded for making it into both leagues when Bisu couldn't. Flash is probably the strongest player, but his results this month have benched him for the entire rest of the season (in Starleague, I mean) against competition that, while maybe not as horrible as some people say, was definitely not very stiff. And Jaedong pretty much has to be rated under Bisu, at least in my mind.
This month... yeah, it's a really hard to rate people. Made a little extra hard given the last PR came out mid December. I usually like to look at the previous two+ months and use that to fill in missing blanks, draw what I feel are more accurate conclusions about the results of the current month (that is, it provides context for the results of the current month), but I feel a little more hesitant to reach back so far this time, partly because this past month alone produced so much data, but mostly because I'd feel a little silly eating up too many results from before what is technically the current PR period (which is about half a month this time...)
Unintentionally (or not) I listed them in approximately the order I'd like to see....
Stork is our "obvious" #1 candidate, but his PvZ while solidly at #2 is less than perfect and his PvP form is in question. I'd comment that Stork has had probably the best season of anyone so far, and was a semifinalist last season, so I feel confident in him at #1.
Bisu arguably had a better month (his OSL loss to Shine being last month, strictly speaking) and percentage-wise may be having a better season, although he's out of OSL.
Kal is... a bit difficult. On one hand, he's been doing well when it counts. 2-1 in OSL, 2-1 in MSL, 2-1 in ace matches all in December. But he's 8-9 overall... which means he has trouble winning when it doesn't matter as much? *scratches head* He also sports a good record against other players on the PR, 4-3 I believe? He had the second toughest matchlist (behind Sea, who had the hardest and got demolished by it prison sex style), but he actually did better against top players than scrubs. He's in both leagues and having a solid season. Where to place him is a bit of a matter of how much you hold the losses against him, but I'm solidly in favor of keeping him top 4.
Calm... suddenly having a resurgence, the final player in both leagues, but the more I think about it the more I'm concerned that he's lost all his games against tough competition. All of them. Hydra, JD, Light. Admittedly they are all steamrolling Zergs, but still. His best win was Free, who is slumping hard. After that his next best win was Hogil, who isn't very good. We need to see more games against top players to make a fair assessment.
Flash I already commented on.
JD is... also having some difficulty against tough competition, and only in one league and in some of his games he is showing poor decision making not typically associated with the name Jaedong. I keep trying to think of them as flukes because I don't think the Tyrant is done yet, but Bisu was an eye opener.
Hydra actually had statistically the best month of anyone, but his only 2 losses were in OSL. Admittedly Modesty and Fantasy aren't bad losses for a Zerg (give Modesty credit on his ZvZ at least, #4 by ELO). I've been tempted to give him a really high rating, but now that I think of it, this is still too soon. Hydra only started gaining momentum this season. He still has something to prove and he has to prove it against S-class competition.
Shine... should not be underrated. Too many people think of him as an all-in cheeser. To those of you thinking like this, I'd advise you to watch Shine vs Jangbi. It was Jangbi who tried to do a timing attack and Shine simultaneously defended and sniped Jangbi's cannons and critical first HT only to follow up with the infamous hydra bust... in a position of economic advantage. Shine is arguably the best early-midgame player in all of progaming. But he wasn't able to follow through on his momentum. Like Flash, his season is over.
Great deserves a PR spot for his strong performance this month, but Great tends to do this kind of thing early on in the season. I expect him to peter out. I also think he's an idiot for forcing ling/ultra/defiler vs mech. Brilliant defiler usage though.
Those are 9 names. The 10th spot is looking hard to place precisely. I want to put Snow there, but his PvZ is totally uninspiring. Almost as bad as Best. Check that, worse than Best by ELO. That's pretty bad. But his PvT is as strong as ever and his PvP has been coming along nicely lately, which allowed him to advance in MSL.
Other CBNC?
Fantasy. I like him, but I don't see why so many other people want to put him in the top 10. Look, from Dec. 8 to today, Fantasy has dropped 103 points of ELO. Maybe he will win some back tonight, I don't know, but that's a tremendous drop.
Baby. 5-1 in December, slowly coming back into the picture, slowly approaching 2200 ELO again. Concerns: can't seem to win when it counts, very streaky. Fragile emotional state?
Modesty. Damn it, I still have a hard time thinking of him as anything but a ZvZ sniper.
Light... let's face it, if Stork had beaten Roro, then Light would likely have advanced in MSL. Bad luck that Light had to face Stork twice. Concern: TvP still looks shaky. Very shaky.
Shout Outs?
ACE winning so many proleague matches... with one-sided domination. Especially ggaemo deserves credit for Ace's success. Ironic considering how much he sucked on OZ.
ForGG we will miss you.
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I pretty much agree with Mortality. The only possible point of disagreement I could have is Calm's placement, because I have a hard time thinking of him as good. But as it was mentioned many times, he gets enough results to win in both leagues, albeit against really easy opponents(Hiya, Hogil, JD who he lost to, double Jaehoon, and Hydra who he lost to. Not the most inspiring performance). Maybe his place is good, maybe he should be between JD and Flash because I'm not convinced that his SL runs are anything but a fluke. Nevertheless, results are results.
I think Modesty or Fantasy for #10. But Fantasy pretty much failed where it really counts, so I'd give the nod to Modesty.
As for shoutouts, ggaemo for pretty much being ACE MVP, Xellos for a few comeback wins, and Anytime for his impressive performance on Oz. ForGG should get one for his retirement under the most peculiar of circumstances.
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Actually, I don't think this will be bad.
Let me see what I can whip up in a few hours.
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The #1 is crystal clear (at least the way I see it). Can't wait to see Dinotoss back at the top for the first time in fucking ages. :D
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If only Stork and Bisu could fuse. What a wonderful day for Protoss that would be~
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On January 01 2011 01:02 Craton wrote:
If only Stork and Bisu could fuse. What a wonderful day for Protoss that would be~
Ever have those two hi temp chasing each others tails failing to morph....thats Stork and Bisu T.T
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On December 31 2010 17:21 Lightwip wrote:
I pretty much agree with Mortality. The only possible point of disagreement I could have is Calm's placement, because I have a hard time thinking of him as good. But as it was mentioned many times, he gets enough results to win in both leagues, albeit against really easy opponents(Hiya, Hogil, JD who he lost to, double Jaehoon, and Hydra who he lost to. Not the most inspiring performance). Maybe his place is good, maybe he should be between JD and Flash because I'm not convinced that his SL runs are anything but a fluke. Nevertheless, results are results.
I think Modesty or Fantasy for #10. But Fantasy pretty much failed where it really counts, so I'd give the nod to Modesty.
As for shoutouts, ggaemo for pretty much being ACE MVP, Xellos for a few comeback wins, and Anytime for his impressive performance on Oz. ForGG should get one for his retirement under the most peculiar of circumstances.
I'm concerned with Calm that he's had an easy ride and that when push comes to shove he won't be able to hack it. But I also don't know how much I want to hold a relatively easy roster against him. He advanced further than Flash in both leagues and his opponents were not really any easier.
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On December 27 2010 16:32 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2010 11:07 Froadac wrote:I do agree with that. Powerranking was well done as alway s. We need a SC2 powerrank soon  What's the point really? What do we have to base a PR off? Just GSL? Might as well just take the winner, put him at 1, runner up at 2, etc.
Well, not soon.
Meant more "if sc2 keeps growing, there will be need for a sc2 powerrank lol"
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I am genuinely suprised that Fantasy didn't make it to this list, although I definitely think that he deserves a spot on the next power rank.
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I'v read some guys posting they're own rankings here, with flash down to 5-6 and stork 1 ? what the heck ? who could put stork nr1 with 6 game loss streak. With flash only losing a single game this month, he's looking strong as hell too. FLASH FLASH FLASH yay yay yeaah!
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