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On December 30 2010 23:32 Mortality wrote:
Sea? Are you kidding? 2-8 in his past 10 games. In the past month he went on the longest loss streak of his career.
Yes, I was kidding. It was just a little sidekick, because PR writers often place him on 8-10 when they don't know anyone else to be there. Just always argue with a solid SPL-record, ace player for his team and you can nearly always give him a lower rank. But as you observed, not this month.
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On December 30 2010 20:17 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2010 20:01 baubo wrote:On December 30 2010 19:47 Lightwip wrote:
I think the fact that Bisu dominated both his MSL group and Jaedong in PL gives him a #2 spot, yes?
You really could argue for #1, but I think Stork just barely deserves #1 more. It's really close, Stork has an extra league while Bisu has better MSL performance and is god tier in PL. Bisu was basically getting pwned by Shine before Shine failed. So domination is hardly how I'd describe it. How so? Bisu stopped Shine from making a nat, defended a lurker bust with some good micro, then proceeded to use his cannon line and the lack of a nat to just go in. That isn't Shine throwing away a game, that is Bisu cutting Shine early then choking him to death. I think this is what it should be. 1. Stork 2. Bisu 3. Jaedong 4. Kal - He really impressed me today. He deserves this spot. Not higher because his PL performance is lacking and he has some uninspiring games. 5. Flash 6. Shine 7. Hydra 8/9 Calm/Fantasy 10. Light
this looks good but i would put light as cbnc and calm definitely deserves higher than 8/9. he is in dual leagues and definitely shouldnt be below shine and hydra. he probably has to be 6th at the lowest with shine taking a 8/9 spot. and honestly, i wouldn't even mind fantasy cnbc'd as well, he's been pretty bad lately but then again he has osl still. maybe great for that 9/10 spot?
i agree with you about kal being impressive lately despite having a bad month record-wise. as a protoss fan i hope he can deliver this season as he is in dual-leagues.
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Calm is actually doing very well. He's in both leagues and doing much better in SPL now after his slow start--6-1 for December. Regardless, I owe Calm something for forgetting him entirely last month, it feels like.
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After more consideration, perhaps this is what it should be:
1. Stork - At this point, I don't think anyone will argue anything else, even if there is a fair(yet worse) case for Bisu.
2. Bisu - Not much to say, he's looking god-tier most of the time. He cut through the group of death with a 2-0 performance and he looks unstoppable in PL. Not to mention he beat Jaedong.
3. Kal - He actually advanced from that accursed group of death, and with quite the performance. Even against Bisu, he didn't just give up when it was pretty obvious Bisu was way ahead, and he did all sorts of stuff with his shuttle(and he didn't mismicro and lose it either. I"ve been making fun if him for poor reaver play, but maybe the Acrobat of the Red Shuttle is back.). Bisu just didn't leave an opening for Kal to harass.
4/5. Flash/Jaedong - After a bit more thought, I really don't know whether or not Jaedong belongs higher than Flash. Jaedong has been up a league, yet in every other way he's been far worse than Flash. Jaedong hasn't actually beaten any top-tier players yet and lost a few bad games to lower-tier players.
6. Calm - I think I underrated his achievements, but I don't get the feeling that he belongs above Flash and Jaedong. So he goes just right under them. Maybe between Flash and Jaedong would work if you really want to be harsh on one of them.
7/8. Shine/Hydra - Both good players who really need no introduction. I just don't know which one belongs higher, but Hydra has a league+higher ELO so maybe him.
9. great - pretty decent achievements this time around.
10. Fantasy - I'd consider Baby here, but Fantasy is better in leagues, so I think he still deserves a spot.
CBNC: Modesty, Baby, Light, Snow
Honorable Mentions: Xellos, Anytime.
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Jaedong will win MSL, Stork will win OSL, all will be right in the world, Bisu fanboys will cry themselves to sleep.
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Kal could definitely win OSL. His PvP is really strong and Stork's we can't be sure of just yet. I wouldn't be surprised if JD won MSL, but I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't. Flash and Light are both out, but there are other dangerous opponents... Stork, Bisu, and I'll even take a flier on Hydra and list him as one.
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Actually, I gotta revamp my statement. Midas will win MSL. He has to. Goddamn cutiepie.
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I think Hyuk deserves a CBNC for knocking out Flash
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1.  Stork
2. Bisu
3. Kal
4.  Calm
5. Jaedong
6.  Flash
7. Hydra
8. great
9. Fantasy
10. Shine
CBNC: Snow, Midas, Neo.G_Soulkey, Modesty
Lightwip is correct for his 10 people, I'd just order 4-10 differently. Calm cannot be overlooked. He lost to JD in the OSL, but JD losing to Hogil and being eliminated more than makes up for that. Also Fantasy just needs play right (and avoid Stork) to be an OSL champion very soon. Shine has no such possibility for many months and thus needs to be lower. Flash can be ahead of some single league players because of his more dominating SPL record than Shine (although Shine's is still quite good).
Snow and/or Midas sneaking into the top 10 would be welcome too. They could be argued over Shine, but I'm not sure they can knock out the crown prince himself.
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I don't see why Shine has to stay on the ranking. Hes out of both leagues and lost quite a lot after his monster streak. I would rather see Modesty or Hyuk or someone else still in the individual league
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Canada2480 Posts
Great needs more love guys
7-3 in his last 10 games and in MSL ro16
Soulkey CBNC
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Hi guys. Ive been out for holidays and have checked only the results involving Beesuit. What did Stork pull off this past week that was so amazing?
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He's in both leagues. 
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On December 31 2010 11:18 Holgerius wrote:He's in both leagues.
Pretty huge.
Stork is definitely THE favorite for the current OSL. Flash/Jaedong/Bisu are out. Fantasy is slumping. The only true opposition is Kal.
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It'll be quite interesting if Hiya beats Stork tonight lol
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Stork systematically dismantled GoRush, but considering his opponent it's not as comparatively impressive as some others. But he's in both leagues. Unlike Kal, he is not doing poorly in SPL. Unlike Calm, we the fans have confidence in him. If Bisu was in both leagues there is no doubt he would be #1. But his loss to Shine in the Ro36 still resonates as signs of poor decision making. For Stork, we can say he shouldn't have had his shuttle sniped by RorO. There's a lot more to be said for Bisu against Shine. He redeemed himself masterfully, but it is too late for the OSL and thus he lacks the power to be #1.
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On December 31 2010 10:48 night terrors wrote:
Hi guys. Ive been out for holidays and have checked only the results involving Beesuit. What did Stork pull off this past week that was so amazing?
Its not really what he did was amazing its mostly like Flash out of OSL and MSL while Jaedong is out of OSL by scrubs. Stork on the other hand had an amazing performance that is still in both leagues and doing well in PL. Stork's PvT is untouchable by any other Terran at this point I would somewhat favor him against Flash. And his PvZ is amazing as well, I would suggest you to watch Stork vs GoRush. At this point, Stork is the most favorite player to win the OSL.
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Shine should be out of the PR next month honestly. No leagues and really falling apart to the end of the month. He had a good streak at the start but he's just lost too much steam. Maybe in the #10 spot if there's no one else but certainly not higher than that.
While I'm fine with Bisu taking the #2 spot (he looked well prepared last night, and if he continues to take his games as seriously as that he has a good shot at being the first person with 4 MSL golds), I have to make the argument that if Flash can maintain a spot on the PR, especially one around 5-6, just on history and ProLeague alone then Jaedong should keep his #2 spot. After all he was also a dual finalist last season and has only really lost series to God-mode Flash. He's looked shaky and lost to Bisu, so that counts against him but they are both in the MSL, 2-0 in their groups, and have similar PL records for December too (JD 7-3, Bisu 6-2). Just saying that Bisu shouldn't be considered a lock for #2 unless you are willing to drop Flash way down to around 8 or lower.
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I can't wait for the 3rd revolution, when we get to see bisu sitting up top for another few months~
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top 4 really should be some combination of flash, jaedong, stork, and bisu
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