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I hate to say something mean, but I want Kal to drop out in MSL. I don't really want to put him above Flash or JD in the ranking. If he advances, then I hope that he will advance with convincing results so that I feel more sure about it. But at this point, the best he can do is 50% for December and it's not like his momentum coming into the month is that strong.
Bisu advancing would make things easier, especially if it's 2-0. On the other hand, he has to be convincing to belong above Flash.
I think Hydra is being overlooked. He's had the 2nd or 3rd best month of anyone and I'm tempted to place him over Flash and JD.
Obviously Stork, Flash, JD, Bisu, Calm and Hydra are in the ranking. Exactly where they go depends on exactly how things turn out + a few big decisions on how to weight things. Kal probably will get a mention unless he gets 2-0'd embarrassingly, in which case I'd drop him. Same with Shine. That's 8 people. At this point I'd consider Great and Snow my other two. If either Kal or Shine gets dropped from the ranking, I'd consider bumping in Fantasy. If both managed to get dropped (with Bisu and Really advancing), I'd consider Modesty. Baby and Leta are CBNC. If both Kal and Shine stay on, then Fantasy and Modesty are CBNC as well.
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On December 29 2010 08:48 swanized wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2010 07:00 Crisium wrote:
And if Jaedong is the only one close, why did he get destroyed by Bisu?
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There are three leagues. Now the players themselves consider SPL the most important. But not enough to give Flash a spot in the top 2. Assuming Bisu and Kal take their MSL group, regardless of who went 2-0, they deserve the be higher than Flash. Kal's SPL performance is poor, but he has two leagues that Flash failed in. Bisu will have 1 league and SPL performance on par with Flash. Calm has been doing good and is in both leagues. He survived an OSL group that Jaedong lacked the skill to advance from.
1. Stork
2. Bisu
3-5 Calm / Jaedong / Kal (hard to call this order, could go any way)
6. Flash (SPL performance is outstanding)
^Remember, this is assuming that Kal and Bisu advance ahead of Shine. If Bisu loses he should be 1 spot below Flash. Just like Flash he has an incredible SPL record, but he lacks the recent history so Flash would get a nod. Hard to place Kal if he loses. His SPL record is poor, so just the OSL might not be enough to put him above Flash. PL is more important for say... Bogus because he knows he's never gonna win a starleague but for someone with an actual chance to win the whole thing SL are more important then PL (even stork said he's gonna stop playing cellphone games to practice for OSL)
I have a bugaboo about people saying SPL is more important than individual leagues, because it's true in a sense, but I think it's totally, totally misunderstood. SPL really is a team thing. Even though all the games are 1v1, team momentum and coaching decisions really drive it. No one player can do all the work and if that player does then it creates a poor team atmosphere anyway. When Flash and JD lead their teams to the playoffs, it's because they have support. It's because guys like Hiya, BackHo, Lomo (yes him, he used to be a decent sniper), Stats, Violet, and ForGG are pulling their weight, or at least enough of it to make a difference.
Drop 2 games in Starleague at the wrong time and it can mean you're relegated to SPL only for the rest of the season. Drop 2 games in SPL and it's like forgetting to vote: it won't make a real difference and if it turns out it does then shouldering that burden all by yourself is stupid. You won't sacrifice your Ro8 OSL matches for game 3 of tonight's SPL, that's a fact.
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please try to make it on 1st,
and stay strict 1st to 1st <3
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Stork an obvious 1 imo. After that it's a mix, bisu should be in the top three but with Flash and JD it's hard to tell what whether they're top three material due to their recent struggles. Calm is good as is hydra but I don't know how I'd place them.
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On December 29 2010 09:28 DracoVolantus wrote:
please try to make it on 1st,
and stay strict 1st to 1st <3
i feel like this is unlikely for a variety of reasons (scheduling, having ~1 month between ranks, etc.)... it's more likely to ease into the 1st.
as for snow on PR ... he made a league, but how solid is he really? I guess he beat up free a few times, got smashed by JD, and beat action. is that enough to get him on the rank?
i'd say stork, (jd flash bisu kal calm) (hydra shine great modesty/leta) or something like that.
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FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
What if I decided to troll everybody (except for Harem) and put Killer at #1?
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We'd have to find a new PR writer.
Preferably someone with a pro-Bisu bias.
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Everyone knows Stork is the better overall protoss. Bisu is just a multitasking freak who uses other players builds, Stork comes up with his own builds while playing cellphone games, WoW, and watching One Piece. The choice is easy.
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Ow, Stork fell 17 points from that last game.
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On December 29 2010 05:39 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2010 05:35 StylishVODs wrote:On December 28 2010 13:02 Musoeun wrote:
I know you simply can't forgive dropping both leagues, but I was looking through TLPD and I noticed something about Flash:
He's 70%+ in all three matchups. Still. He's 70%+ in all three matchups in his last ten (7-3 vs T, 9-1 vs Z, 7-3 vs P). I know the league thing counts, and I know he's taken some bad losses (by which I mean Ssak and Hyuk), but part of me is wanting to think that Flash is still the best, baddest player out there.
I agree and I think others do. If I would base it on a feeling I'd still put flash at #1 because I still believe that he's the best with only jaedong being close. However I would drop him a few spots based on the criteria of the PR if I understand it correctly. As I said before, if you're the best but don't win anything, does it do you any good? When you have skill, you have to get results. Flash has failed to do so.
While I totally agree that if you're the best but don't win anything, it doesn't do you any good, it's just so ironic to see it coming from any Bisu fan when he's the ultimate example of this.
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OK this is how i see things.
1.Flash (note:I hate Flash but still put him as N1,i think thats more than enough proof that Flash is the best player.I mean Flash was demolishing everything last month,no one ever doubted that he was number one just a month ago.If he lost to ssak,classic and hyuk in proleague and advanced in both leagues will he be droped?I don't think so.Every player has bad days,unfortunately for Flash ,he had his bad days at a bad time.Two or three bad loses could not overcome a year of complete and undisputed dominance.Flash is still The N1 ELO and Kespa rank and he is not getting overthrown from them anytime soon.In terms of POWER Flash is still the best player on earth and everyone knows he will be coming back next season maybe even more powerful than before .)
2.Stork (obvious..)
3.Bisu/JD (depending on tomorrow's MSL group)
4JD/Bisu
5.Hydra
6.Calm
7.Shine/Kal
8.Kal/Shine
9.Fanta
10.Great/Modesty/Snow
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On December 29 2010 10:49 flamewheel wrote:
What if I decided to troll everybody (except for Harem) and put Killer at #1?
This is only allowed if Killer starts posting on TL.
On December 29 2010 20:08 zmeqt wrote:
1.Flash (note:I hate Flash but still put him as N1,i think thats more than enough proof that Flash is the best player.I mean Flash was demolishing everything last month,no one ever doubted that he was number one just a month ago.If he lost to ssak,classic and hyuk in proleague and advanced in both leagues will he be droped?...
If PR was simply, "Who's the best player?", "Who wins a Bo5 99% of the time?", etc. this could work, but because of the way the PR actually works this just isn't possible, especially when we've got (at least) two dual-leagues in Stork and Calm. They don't both have to be ahead of Flash, necessarily, if it's well argued, but at least one of them does - because that's how things work. Depending how the last MSL groups go, I'm okay with Flash being anywhere from 2 to about 7 - but anyone who goes 3-3 and gets knocked out of both leagues simply can't keep a #1 position.
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3-3? Flash went 1-4 in individual leagues... 1-2 in OSL and 0-2 in MSL, out of easy groups. He went 6-1 in proleague.
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Well I was just counting since this PR date... it might be 5-3 by that criterion depending when it was released.
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On December 30 2010 07:02 Musoeun wrote:
Well I was just counting since this PR date... it might be 5-3 by that criterion depending when it was released.
Ah, I see. I've been looking at the whole month. I justify this with the fact that half a month's worth of games is a ridiculously small sample. As it is, even just going 1 month between rankings provides very little to work with.
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On December 29 2010 20:08 zmeqt wrote:
OK this is how i see things.
1.Flash (note:I hate Flash but still put him as N1,i think thats more than enough proof that Flash is the best player.I mean Flash was demolishing everything last month,no one ever doubted that he was number one just a month ago.If he lost to ssak,classic and hyuk in proleague and advanced in both leagues will he be droped?I don't think so.Every player has bad days,unfortunately for Flash ,he had his bad days at a bad time.Two or three bad loses could not overcome a year of complete and undisputed dominance.Flash is still The N1 ELO and Kespa rank and he is not getting overthrown from them anytime soon.In terms of POWER Flash is still the best player on earth and everyone knows he will be coming back next season maybe even more powerful than before .)
If you use that as your PR method then Flash should be number one on every PR going back to early 2008.
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Right now, Jaedong is 1 loss from dropping the 2300 club. I wonder whether or not he will.
Probably not, but definitely something to look out for. Bisu is closer to JD right now than JD is to Flash(by just a few points), and Stork isn't far behind.
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On December 30 2010 09:27 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2010 20:08 zmeqt wrote:
OK this is how i see things.
1.Flash (note:I hate Flash but still put him as N1,i think thats more than enough proof that Flash is the best player.I mean Flash was demolishing everything last month,no one ever doubted that he was number one just a month ago.If he lost to ssak,classic and hyuk in proleague and advanced in both leagues will he be droped?I don't think so.Every player has bad days,unfortunately for Flash ,he had his bad days at a bad time.Two or three bad loses could not overcome a year of complete and undisputed dominance.Flash is still The N1 ELO and Kespa rank and he is not getting overthrown from them anytime soon.In terms of POWER Flash is still the best player on earth and everyone knows he will be coming back next season maybe even more powerful than before .)
If you use that as your PR method then Flash should be number one on every PR going back to early 2008.
Umm... I know this is the fanboy in you talking, but... umm... No. He wouldn't be. Not by a fucking longshot.
Anyway, zmeqt, there is something which ranks the way you want it to be. Go look up Kespa ranking.
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On December 30 2010 10:25 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2010 09:27 jalstar wrote:On December 29 2010 20:08 zmeqt wrote:
OK this is how i see things.
1.Flash (note:I hate Flash but still put him as N1,i think thats more than enough proof that Flash is the best player.I mean Flash was demolishing everything last month,no one ever doubted that he was number one just a month ago.If he lost to ssak,classic and hyuk in proleague and advanced in both leagues will he be droped?I don't think so.Every player has bad days,unfortunately for Flash ,he had his bad days at a bad time.Two or three bad loses could not overcome a year of complete and undisputed dominance.Flash is still The N1 ELO and Kespa rank and he is not getting overthrown from them anytime soon.In terms of POWER Flash is still the best player on earth and everyone knows he will be coming back next season maybe even more powerful than before .)
If you use that as your PR method then Flash should be number one on every PR going back to early 2008. Umm... I know this is the fanboy in you talking, but... umm... No. He wouldn't be. Not by a fucking longshot. Anyway, zmeqt, there is something which ranks the way you want it to be. Go look up Kespa ranking.
Yes he would, people have considered him as the player with the highest raw skill for a long time, it's just that besides his bonjwa run he gets knocked out very early in leagues.
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On December 30 2010 10:50 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2010 10:25 baubo wrote:On December 30 2010 09:27 jalstar wrote:On December 29 2010 20:08 zmeqt wrote:
OK this is how i see things.
1.Flash (note:I hate Flash but still put him as N1,i think thats more than enough proof that Flash is the best player.I mean Flash was demolishing everything last month,no one ever doubted that he was number one just a month ago.If he lost to ssak,classic and hyuk in proleague and advanced in both leagues will he be droped?I don't think so.Every player has bad days,unfortunately for Flash ,he had his bad days at a bad time.Two or three bad loses could not overcome a year of complete and undisputed dominance.Flash is still The N1 ELO and Kespa rank and he is not getting overthrown from them anytime soon.In terms of POWER Flash is still the best player on earth and everyone knows he will be coming back next season maybe even more powerful than before .)
If you use that as your PR method then Flash should be number one on every PR going back to early 2008. Umm... I know this is the fanboy in you talking, but... umm... No. He wouldn't be. Not by a fucking longshot. Anyway, zmeqt, there is something which ranks the way you want it to be. Go look up Kespa ranking. Yes he would, people have considered him as the player with the highest raw skill for a long time, it's just that besides his bonjwa run he gets knocked out very early in leagues.
Jaedong was considered better for much of 2009. For a brief time, people were even starting to talk like Fantasy was better than Flash. Me included. And Kwanro had a power rank entry that said something like: he beat Flash, proving that... he's a Zerg. That's not even including the times when Stork and Bisu were considered stronger.
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