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Calm is a crime. This month he's a top 5 sleeper.Power Rank 12/15/2010 - Page 18
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topherthetoad
China130 Posts
Calm is a crime. This month he's a top 5 sleeper. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On December 28 2010 21:26 Holgerius wrote: It's funny how Flash is still around 50 ELO points ahead of the #2. :D ELO treats all games as equal. It doesn't really care that Flash dropped out of both Starleagues, it only sees the 4 losses Flash picked up on the way. Actually, I anticipate Flash's ELO going up. With only proleague to focus on he is likely to go on a massive tear. But ELO is only one particular measurement and it's not always the best indicator of what's happening. Even if Flash sets a new ELO peak record and even if he breaks Gorush's record winstreak, there is no denying that this has been Flash's worst season for at least the past year. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On December 29 2010 01:18 Mortality wrote: IMO Calm deserves to be ranked right above Flash. What Calm lacks is momentum. People aren't convinced that his evil twin Clam won't come back. But Calm is 10-3 this month with his only losses being to Light, Jaedong, and Hydra. ELO treats all games as equal. It doesn't really care that Flash dropped out of both Starleagues, it only sees the 4 losses Flash picked up on the way. Actually, I anticipate Flash's ELO going up. With only proleague to focus on he is likely to go on a massive tear. But ELO is only one particular measurement and it's not always the best indicator of what's happening. Even if Flash sets a new ELO peak record and even if he breaks Gorush's record winstreak, there is no denying that this has been Flash's worst season for at least the past year. Not denying that. It has been a horrible month for Flash. It's still funny though; it shows just how far ahead of everyone else he has been.  | ||
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kamizushi
Canada52 Posts
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luckybeni2
Germany1065 Posts
On December 29 2010 02:10 kamizushi wrote: It's normal to loose a few PR rank when a good player had a bad month. If flash is still the best, he should get his first spot in no time. But right now, he is not doing well enough to be first. Not to forget that he can not prove his superiority due to his lack of individual leagues. But he did not play that good in general so we can not say that he will even continue his proleague run. Who thought he could lose probably the worst msl group ever? And continue to lose a mediocre OSL group? You can not rely on titles you won 2 months ago. Same goes for JD. He has looked very mortal and I can't see anyone put him as #2 atm. There is still the last msl group but I doubt it will cange too much | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On December 29 2010 02:40 luckybeni2 wrote: Not to forget that he can not prove his superiority due to his lack of individual leagues. But he did not play that good in general so we can not say that he will even continue his proleague run. Who thought he could lose probably the worst msl group ever? And continue to lose a mediocre OSL group? You can not rely on titles you won 2 months ago. Same goes for JD. He has looked very mortal and I can't see anyone put him as #2 atm. There is still the last msl group but I doubt it will cange too much If he continues to dominate in PL he can easily prove he is better than anyone else. Everyone loses games and Flash happened to lose them at the wrong time. If you were going to die and someone had to play a Bo5 to save your life, which player would you choose to play it for you? Shine? Come on. | ||
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Fushin
France193 Posts
He should still be on top 10, and he'll probably come back top 3 soon, but that's a monthly ranking, though we do take into account the past, it can't decide the whole ranking. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
And the last MSL group can change egverything. What if Bisu gets 2-0'd? Then he's not in either league. What is Shine gets 2-0'd? Same deal. Kal at least is guaranteed to be in at least one league, but his overall results for this month is an abysmal 6-8 against competition of mixed skill and I hesitate to give him the nod over JD who has much stronger results. From the perspective of PR, it would be easiest if Shine and Bisu win group H. Here's what I see: Stork (12-2 in Dec, advanced in both leagues, strong momentum) - obvious #1 Shine (7-4, dropped in OSL, needs to advance in MSL) Bisu (6-2, very strong momentum, not in OSL, needs an MSL win) Kal (6-8, advanced in OSL, despite strong momentum, needs an MSL win to vouch for him) Jaedong (10-5, advanced in MSL, looking kiiiinda shaky, but he's still Jaedong) Hydra (11-2, advanced in MSL, dropped in OSL, could this be his breakout season?) Calm (10-3, advanced in both leagues... he's back... I think) Great (8-2, advanced in MSL can he hold the momentum?) Fantasy (7-8, squeaked by in OSL, fell in MSL, worst month he's had in a long time) Leta (6-3, rode in on a personal record win streak but crashed and burned in MSL, not in OSL) Modesty (5-2, advanced in OSL, still not sure you aren't just a ZvZ whose had a little luck lately) Baby (5-1, but not in either league... so...) Snow (7-3, advanced in MSL, now at personal best ELO, but I worry about his PvZ) Edit: forgot Flash, lol (7-5, dropped both leagues, ouchie) That's pretty much everyone who came to mind as a contender. Someone mentioned Hyuk, but he's 3-4 in December and if you look at his stats, 2-8 in his last 10 ZvT, 1-9 in his last 10 ZvZ... the only MU he's doing okay in is ZvP. And some other players who are normally reliable like Soulkey just have not had good months. A major shoutout needs to be given to ACE on this ranking. They are doing quite well in proleague. Xellos in particular is 3-0 for them, and ggaemo deserves mention because he sucked his whole time on OZ and is now playing better than he ever did for them. | ||
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stolensheep
United Kingdom306 Posts
get ready for a new look power ranking in the first month of 2011! | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On December 28 2010 21:26 Holgerius wrote: It's funny how Flash is still around 50 ELO points ahead of the #2. :D To be fair, Jaedong hasn't been doing so great and the reigning #3 just fell, and the gap has yet to be closed by TaekBang. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On December 29 2010 05:21 Xiphos wrote: Question here, would we have the OSL final next month? Pretty sure no. Should come around in Feburary. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On December 28 2010 13:02 Musoeun wrote: I know you simply can't forgive dropping both leagues, but I was looking through TLPD and I noticed something about Flash: He's 70%+ in all three matchups. Still. He's 70%+ in all three matchups in his last ten (7-3 vs T, 9-1 vs Z, 7-3 vs P). I know the league thing counts, and I know he's taken some bad losses (by which I mean Ssak and Hyuk), but part of me is wanting to think that Flash is still the best, baddest player out there. I agree and I think others do. If I would base it on a feeling I'd still put flash at #1 because I still believe that he's the best with only jaedong being close. However I would drop him a few spots based on the criteria of the PR if I understand it correctly. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On December 29 2010 05:35 StylishVODs wrote: I agree and I think others do. If I would base it on a feeling I'd still put flash at #1 because I still believe that he's the best with only jaedong being close. However I would drop him a few spots based on the criteria of the PR if I understand it correctly. As I said before, if you're the best but don't win anything, does it do you any good? When you have skill, you have to get results. Flash has failed to do so. | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
... There are three leagues. Now the players themselves consider SPL the most important. But not enough to give Flash a spot in the top 2. Assuming Bisu and Kal take their MSL group, regardless of who went 2-0, they deserve the be higher than Flash. Kal's SPL performance is poor, but he has two leagues that Flash failed in. Bisu will have 1 league and SPL performance on par with Flash. Calm has been doing good and is in both leagues. He survived an OSL group that Jaedong lacked the skill to advance from. 1. Stork 2. Bisu 3-5 Calm / Jaedong / Kal (hard to call this order, could go any way) 6. Flash (SPL performance is outstanding) ^Remember, this is assuming that Kal and Bisu advance ahead of Shine. If Bisu loses he should be 1 spot below Flash. Just like Flash he has an incredible SPL record, but he lacks the recent history so Flash would get a nod. Hard to place Kal if he loses. His SPL record is poor, so just the OSL might not be enough to put him above Flash. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On December 29 2010 08:10 blade55555 wrote: Yeah he got destroyed by bisu last time that auto means he's terrible? lolol 1 game doesn't prove anything. If it was a bo3 or something sure you could use that but it was just 1 match against eachother. Does the fact that Jaedong lost to EVERY good player he's played so far mean anything? Bisu is just the 5th time this happened. | ||
swanized
Canada2480 Posts
On December 29 2010 07:00 Crisium wrote: And if Jaedong is the only one close, why did he get destroyed by Bisu? ... There are three leagues. Now the players themselves consider SPL the most important. But not enough to give Flash a spot in the top 2. Assuming Bisu and Kal take their MSL group, regardless of who went 2-0, they deserve the be higher than Flash. Kal's SPL performance is poor, but he has two leagues that Flash failed in. Bisu will have 1 league and SPL performance on par with Flash. Calm has been doing good and is in both leagues. He survived an OSL group that Jaedong lacked the skill to advance from. 1. Stork 2. Bisu 3-5 Calm / Jaedong / Kal (hard to call this order, could go any way) 6. Flash (SPL performance is outstanding) ^Remember, this is assuming that Kal and Bisu advance ahead of Shine. If Bisu loses he should be 1 spot below Flash. Just like Flash he has an incredible SPL record, but he lacks the recent history so Flash would get a nod. Hard to place Kal if he loses. His SPL record is poor, so just the OSL might not be enough to put him above Flash. PL is more important for say... Bogus because he knows he's never gonna win a starleague but for someone with an actual chance to win the whole thing SL are more important then PL (even stork said he's gonna stop playing cellphone games to practice for OSL) | ||
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