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On December 30 2010 10:25 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2010 09:27 jalstar wrote:On December 29 2010 20:08 zmeqt wrote:
OK this is how i see things.
1.Flash (note:I hate Flash but still put him as N1,i think thats more than enough proof that Flash is the best player.I mean Flash was demolishing everything last month,no one ever doubted that he was number one just a month ago.If he lost to ssak,classic and hyuk in proleague and advanced in both leagues will he be droped?I don't think so.Every player has bad days,unfortunately for Flash ,he had his bad days at a bad time.Two or three bad loses could not overcome a year of complete and undisputed dominance.Flash is still The N1 ELO and Kespa rank and he is not getting overthrown from them anytime soon.In terms of POWER Flash is still the best player on earth and everyone knows he will be coming back next season maybe even more powerful than before .)
If you use that as your PR method then Flash should be number one on every PR going back to early 2008. Umm... I know this is the fanboy in you talking, but... umm... No. He wouldn't be. Not by a fucking longshot. Anyway, zmeqt, there is something which ranks the way you want it to be. Go look up Kespa ranking.
Good point bringing up the Kespa ranking. Flash will certainly still be #1 there. That measures long term success, about the most recent full year. The PR measures the month.
Seriously, if Flash is still #1 next month then there's no point in having a monthly PR anymore. This is supposed to be more reactive than the Kespa ranking. And more subjective than the pure statistics ELO. Flash cannot be #1 after December - it is not a possibility.
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Man, has anyone been paying attention to Midas lately? He's on a pretty significant tear.
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Midas always does that, haha. I love him. Favourite Terran ever. I hope he does well in the MSL.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
It all comes down to this.
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I can't wait for the first PR of 2011
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I think the fact that Bisu dominated both his MSL group and Jaedong in PL gives him a #2 spot, yes?
You really could argue for #1, but I think Stork just barely deserves #1 more. It's really close, Stork has an extra league while Bisu has better MSL performance and is god tier in PL.
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Stork number 1 in my eyes for sure, and I'm a bisu fan. dual leagues>msl only, and while bisu has done better than stork in pl, stork's had a good, although not godly, pl month as well. the real contest is bisu vs jd for the number 2. and looking at it right now, history aside, bisu can make a pretty strong case to be honest.
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JD has been down recently, I'd say Bisu is pretty much #2. He's been looking really great except for 2 losses more than a month ago to Shine.
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On December 30 2010 19:47 Lightwip wrote:
I think the fact that Bisu dominated both his MSL group and Jaedong in PL gives him a #2 spot, yes?
You really could argue for #1, but I think Stork just barely deserves #1 more. It's really close, Stork has an extra league while Bisu has better MSL performance and is god tier in PL.
Stork has a better PL record this month, so it's not really that close.
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On December 30 2010 19:55 Cpadolf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2010 19:47 Lightwip wrote:
I think the fact that Bisu dominated both his MSL group and Jaedong in PL gives him a #2 spot, yes?
You really could argue for #1, but I think Stork just barely deserves #1 more. It's really close, Stork has an extra league while Bisu has better MSL performance and is god tier in PL. Stork has a better PL record this month, so it's not really that close.
Losing to Lucifer is a pretty bad loss though.
Although this discussion is pointless because I agree that Stork is #1 anyways.
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On December 30 2010 19:47 Lightwip wrote:
I think the fact that Bisu dominated both his MSL group and Jaedong in PL gives him a #2 spot, yes?
You really could argue for #1, but I think Stork just barely deserves #1 more. It's really close, Stork has an extra league while Bisu has better MSL performance and is god tier in PL.
Bisu was basically getting pwned by Shine before Shine failed. So domination is hardly how I'd describe it.
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On December 30 2010 20:01 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2010 19:47 Lightwip wrote:
I think the fact that Bisu dominated both his MSL group and Jaedong in PL gives him a #2 spot, yes?
You really could argue for #1, but I think Stork just barely deserves #1 more. It's really close, Stork has an extra league while Bisu has better MSL performance and is god tier in PL. Bisu was basically getting pwned by Shine before Shine failed. So domination is hardly how I'd describe it.
How so? Bisu stopped Shine from making a nat, defended a lurker bust with some good micro, then proceeded to use his cannon line and the lack of a nat to just go in. That isn't Shine throwing away a game, that is Bisu cutting Shine early then choking him to death.
I think this is what it should be.
1. Stork
2. Bisu
3. Jaedong
4. Kal - He really impressed me today. He deserves this spot. Not higher because his PL performance is lacking and he has some uninspiring games.
5. Flash
6. Shine
7. Hydra
8/9 Calm/Fantasy
10. Light
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skt fans are ready to roar
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Maybe we gonna see Bisu,Stork and Kal a TOP 3 in the next Power Rank  And Hyuk in top 10 would be a killer too.
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On December 30 2010 20:17 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2010 20:01 baubo wrote:On December 30 2010 19:47 Lightwip wrote:
I think the fact that Bisu dominated both his MSL group and Jaedong in PL gives him a #2 spot, yes?
You really could argue for #1, but I think Stork just barely deserves #1 more. It's really close, Stork has an extra league while Bisu has better MSL performance and is god tier in PL. Bisu was basically getting pwned by Shine before Shine failed. So domination is hardly how I'd describe it. How so? Bisu stopped Shine from making a nat, defended a lurker bust with some good micro, then proceeded to use his cannon line and the lack of a nat to just go in. That isn't Shine throwing away a game, that is Bisu cutting Shine early then choking him to death. I think this is what it should be. 1. Stork 2. Bisu 3. Jaedong 4. Kal - He really impressed me today. He deserves this spot. Not higher because his PL performance is lacking and he has some uninspiring games. 5. Flash 6. Shine 7. Hydra 8/9 Calm/Fantasy 10. Light
Fantasy and Light I would put in CBNC. I thought Great (8-3, advanced in MSL) and Snow (7-4, advanced in MSL) were maybe a bit sharper. By comparison, Light has encountered too many Protoss players and Fantasy has lost roughly 100 points in ELO in December.
Calm is way too low. He's in both leagues and went on a tear, 10-3 in December. Arguably Hydra is too low as well since he has the best record this month, 12-2. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd consider bumping Jaedong down to below Flash and knocking Kal (and Flash) down one each to make room.
In defense of this, I'd like to point out that Hydra was one of the players to beat Jaedong and he took Kal and Calm along the way as well, although he did lose to Fantasy. That puts him at 3-1 against PR+CBNC. JD beat Calm and Snow, but lost to Hydra, Light and Bisu, putting him 2-3. Flash went 1-2 if we count Leta as CBNC, otherwise 0-2. Kal went 4-3, counting last night's games. To be honest, Calm only went 0-3, but I did advocate before that a player in both leagues should be ahead of a player in neither, and furthermore, his overall record is stronger than JD's, Flash's, or Kal's, at least by win percentage.
Midas is worth looking at for CBNC as well, or maybe taking a low spot on PR...
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#1  Stork - No question about that.
#2 Bisu - Strong performances all around, but lacks OSL.
#3 Kal - Two leagues and he seems to be handling the pressure better nowadays.
#4  Jaedong - I don't want to see him in the top3 like this. His strategic play has been awful lately. Still good in PL and looking strong in MSL, Plus that he is the Dong should grant him #4
#5  Flash - Flash needs to be punished to exit both leagues in the way he did, but he should not fall out of the top#5. Players not belonging to the great four have to show more to overtake him then getting out of their groups in individual leagues (Kal is my exception here)
#6 Calm - Coming out of nowhere tearing up both leagues until now, but I'm not ready to put him ahead of Flash or Jaedong yet
#7 Fantasy - Only because he is still in OSL and maybe because I am unreasonable. I just can't find another worthy #7 and I don't think he should be below Shine
#8 Shine - That was a rude awakening.
#9 Hydra - Very good record since the last PR (7-2) and still in one league, but I'm not ready to put him over Shine yet as the third scary zerg on this list.
#10 great - He just hit one of those streaks were he is winning a lot... this will end very soon, but sometimes he can look very impressive, and this time of the year is now.
I guess this is a bit zerg heavy... but they are performing well and I am tired of having Light and Sea low on the PR just because they seem to be a natural fit down there.
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Sea? Are you kidding? 2-8 in his past 10 games. In the past month he went on the longest loss streak of his career.
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Oh my Taek-bang once again! Will Stork vs Bisu be played in February?
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On December 30 2010 23:43 Xiphos wrote:
Oh my Taek-bang once again! Will Stork vs Bisu be played in February?
So unfortunate  I was really excited before I checked the matchups that they might meet in the finals.
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Estonia4504 Posts
Chances are good that both Calm and Kal will get a good position in the spotlight, what an awesome change! While Kal's losses are way too plenty, I think they have proven not to be as mentally unstable as before, and hope they stay for a long while. The month after this one will be incredibly exciting, with all sorts of possible ups and downs. Winners League Flash/Jaedong/Bisu/Stork/Kal/hydra will be very interesting to watch.
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