On December 16 2010 16:08 TwoToneTerran wrote:I sure as hell don't want to hear it from a damn Bisu fan that Flash fans have been obnoxious. Or for that matter an SKT fan doing the same to KT fans. You have no idea.
Keep in mind you're the one that brought up fanboys first. It's hardly relevant to talk about how obnoxious Bisu fans are when KT fans are pretty obnoxious too. More obnoxious? Doubt it, but that's probably because there's less of them. I think of Flash as a less exciting player than Bisu, probably others too, and as you mentioned, SC2 probably takes away a fair number of fans he would have, hence less people to fanboy for him. But my point is mentioning the fanboys of before now as if Bisu/SKT doing mediocre is some sort of justice is unfair, because I think of your fans as annoying too, and right now I'd say they're about equal in how annoying they are. I used to be a pretty annoying fanboy a few months ago(I probably still am to a lot of people, I think I was worse before though), but eventually I realized how little it accomplishes when you get others to hate you. Main point is, you talk about how the failure of SKT/Bisu is karma for fanboyism yet don't really realize that all opposing fanboys are annoying as hell.
Um, I didn't bring it up. I responded to you after you responded to moopie. But thanks for playing the "You started it!" maneuver, lol.
And it's I didn't say shit about karma, I just don't want to hear it. It's such a horrid hypocrisy. SKT fans and Bisu fans have been worse, there's seriously no question about it. People get banned with frequency whenever a zerg beats bisu out of a tournament, but no one got banned when flash got 2 hatch muta'd or kwanroll'd out of both tournaments. When Bisu is doing well, his fans are more caustic than any other.
PS: Bisu and SKT aren't doing mediocre. SKT has never been mediocre and Bisu has a fantastic record this season. I seriously don't know what the hell you're talking about, your team was UNDEFEATED last round. Bisu was undefeated last round. He suffers a couple setbacks and all of the sudden he's mediocre? Lollin'.
On December 16 2010 16:36 TwoToneTerran wrote: Um, I didn't bring it up. I responded to you after you responded to moopie. But thanks for playing the "You started it!" maneuver, lol.
God damn it, I always mix you two up, what with the guardian+KT icons. Mediocre for half a round is what I meant. What I was trying to say is, the instant someone plays mediocre is the instant they get people to jump on them. I don't deny that Bisu fans are annoying though. I just think that any player with skill will have a slew of fans that will get on the nerves of antifans. In any case, I don't see this going anywhere, as there's no measure of annoyingness of fans, so I'd be content to just drop it.
On a completely unrelated note, this month seems to be the rise of players that no one thought of as good.
On December 16 2010 16:36 TwoToneTerran wrote: Um, I didn't bring it up. I responded to you after you responded to moopie. But thanks for playing the "You started it!" maneuver, lol.
God damn it, I always mix you two up, what with the guardian+KT icons. Mediocre for half a round is what I meant. What I was trying to say is, the instant someone plays mediocre is the instant they get people to jump on them. I don't deny that Bisu fans are annoying though. I just think that any player with skill will have a slew of fans that will get on the nerves of antifans. In any case, I don't see this going anywhere, as there's no measure of annoyingness of fans, so I'd be content to just drop it.
On a completely unrelated note, this month seems to be the rise of players that no one thought of as good.
I commend you on your last comment. Debates and arguments between two bias opinion will go no where. The only winners in these type of debate are those would never got involved.
On December 16 2010 09:37 moopie wrote: Yay new PR!! And fuck yeah Kal in 3rd place!
On December 16 2010 04:48 Lightwip wrote: Also, why is KT often mediocre the whole season except against SKT? That really annoys me.
To give the rest of us a break from the overwhelming SKT fanboyism from time to time. Relax, you still have #1..
..for now
Oh give me a break. You really think that your fans are any better? I despise listening to KT fans talk about how good Flash is as much as anything you may dislike about the SKT fans. It's not about being #1 though, it's more of the head-to-head that I'm really concerned about.
Also, it must be so easy to be a Flash fan, always talking about how your player is the best, while I'm still not sure whether or not my favorites are still even good.
I spent 2 years with everyone calling Flash the weakest of Taekbangleessang and how Bisu was god incarnate. You seriously don't know a thing about awful, confrontational, blind and annoying fans if you can't remember the height of Bisu's popularity.
Flash fans aren't particularly great, but dear lord the Bisu fans. Dear. Lord.
Everyone's fans should learn from Stork's fans. They're the nicest damn people on TL and I always feel like a jerk after seeing Stork lose because his fans are so nice and understanding. =(
Bisu was the first Protoss in a long, long time to actually hold the #1 spot. Not only that, but he ended Savior's total oppression of Protoss. It was natural that fans would go apeshit. Annoying? Sure. But you kind of had to expect it.
Stork's fans aren't nearly as bad as Bisu's, Flash's or JD's, but they can be a little annoying as well. Stork tends to get hyped a lot even when he's not really doing anything special. I can't remember the last time I saw a PR without at least one comment of "Where's Stork" or "Stork should be higher." Stork's an awesome player (the only modern superstar to come from a previous era -- I keep saying it, surviving the generational gap is absurdly hard and takes unbelievable talent), but he often gets acknowledged over other players who are every bit as deserving.on a month-to-month basis. Stork is the kind of player who can suddenly bust out with a bonjwa-breaking performance at any time but the rest of his games that month may be average, but it will always be enough to give him the nod over a player with a more solid overall performance.
This month, of course, Stork is looking solid, but in general he's a little less consistent, and his record over the past 2 years more modest.
i think it has more to do with the fact that stork is a player that is mostly loved in tl, what i mean by that is when there is a rivalry between 2 players the fans of the 2 opposing sided will take the hate and love into extreme levels but in teh case of stork i'm not even sad when he wins vs jaedong i dont know why but bisu fans love him , flash fans respect him (talking from what i've seen in the forums and my opinion on the matter ).
Flash lost 53 points of ELO, and 66 points of vT ELO. That... doesn't even make sense.
I'm pretty sure that earlier TL have used a K value of 20, which means no matter how low your opponents ELO is you can never lose more than 20 points per game. I guess they must have a higher K value for when someone is so and so many points ahead of his competitor.
Anyway I find it amusing that less than a day after he reclaimed the #1 spot in every ELO category, he lost it in 2.
EPT
0-2'd in the easiest group in MSL. ![[image loading]](http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/4/3704/47867.gif)
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