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moopie
12605 Posts
On December 16 2010 04:48 Lightwip wrote: Also, why is KT often mediocre the whole season except against SKT? That really annoys me. To give the rest of us a break from the overwhelming SKT fanboyism from time to time. Relax, you still have #1.. ..for now  | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On December 16 2010 09:37 moopie wrote: Yay new PR!! And fuck yeah Kal in 3rd place! To give the rest of us a break from the overwhelming SKT fanboyism from time to time. Relax, you still have #1.. ..for now Oh give me a break. You really think that your fans are any better? I despise listening to KT fans talk about how good Flash is as much as anything you may dislike about the SKT fans. It's not about being #1 though, it's more of the head-to-head that I'm really concerned about. Also, it must be so easy to be a Flash fan, always talking about how your player is the best, while I'm still not sure whether or not my favorites are still even good. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On December 16 2010 10:34 Lightwip wrote: Oh give me a break. You really think that your fans are any better? I despise listening to KT fans talk about how good Flash is as much as anything you may dislike about the SKT fans. It's not about being #1 though, it's more of the head-to-head that I'm really concerned about. Also, it must be so easy to be a Flash fan, always talking about how your player is the best, while I'm still not sure whether or not my favorites are still even good. You're confusing Flash fans with KT fans. Sure I like Flash and all, but its KT fans that get the brunt of the flaming by SKTers, Flash fans didn't care since he is still winning (most of them abandoned wearing the KT icon after round 1). Flash is good, yes, but I care more about the team doing good as a whole, that includes Stats, Violet, ForGG, Action, HoeJJa (yes, HoeJJa damnit), and of course guest appearances by Reach. KT is still at 8th, but they're climbing, thats due to team performance, not just KTFlash. And after R1 (which was a flashback to the childlabor terran days), KT fans finally get little victories here and there and they're worth celebrating. SKT crushed everyone in R1, did you turn a blind eye to the LR fanboyism? Anyway, live and let live | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
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SkelA
Macedonia13069 Posts
#1 and #2 is not arguable but #3-6 are REALLY close. Stork destroyed everyone he played but he didnt really played against S class players. Kal is just the usual consistent P as always but he is wining against S class players ... well I can say Kal is an S class player now taking that title from Bisu who is doing alright for a mediocre player but terrible for S class like many ppl still consider he is. Shine just wow ! Dismantling Bisu AGAIN and wining against tvz masters like Sea and Ruby and wining everyone else too. Cheese or not the wins are what counts. Fantasy was doing great untill the Modesty game where he looked honestly like a noob and losing to 2 medocre tosses after that. Bisu... well my prediction is that he will fall even lower than this. Stork and Kal are the true protoss heroes. Hydra is doing great too but I always considered him as a decent player. Sea and Light buissnes as usual for MBC. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On December 16 2010 10:48 moopie wrote: SKT crushed everyone in R1, did you turn a blind eye to the LR fanboyism? If I said that that didn't happen, I'd be lying. But my point was that your fans are no better. | ||
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bearbuddy
3442 Posts
Good list, I can't disagree with anything here. | ||
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everstarleague
China89 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On December 16 2010 11:51 everstarleague wrote: I feel in this osl r16 and msl r32, Flash's situation is not optimistic. But when he get through the groups match, when he get to the elimination matchs, he could be safer. Well in the OSL, it's only Hyuk that stands between him and Ro8, and in the MSL he has an insurance group. He pretty much has a straight route to the next set unless something ridiculous happens. | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
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revy
United States1524 Posts
On December 16 2010 10:34 Lightwip wrote: Oh give me a break. You really think that your fans are any better? I despise listening to KT fans talk about how good Flash is as much as anything you may dislike about the SKT fans. It's not about being #1 though, it's more of the head-to-head that I'm really concerned about. Also, it must be so easy to be a Flash fan, always talking about how your player is the best, while I'm still not sure whether or not my favorites are still even good. Easy to be a Flash fan now, yes. Easy 2 years ago when you knew he was going to be the best ever and then kept dropping out of individuals, not by a long shot. I think Flash has made up for the bad times though. | ||
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bluetrolls
United States139 Posts
Honorable mention to Lightwip for stirring some controversy. There is so little to argue about the PR proper | ||
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
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SectorX
United Kingdom8 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On December 16 2010 10:34 Lightwip wrote: Oh give me a break. You really think that your fans are any better? I despise listening to KT fans talk about how good Flash is as much as anything you may dislike about the SKT fans. It's not about being #1 though, it's more of the head-to-head that I'm really concerned about. Also, it must be so easy to be a Flash fan, always talking about how your player is the best, while I'm still not sure whether or not my favorites are still even good. I spent 2 years with everyone calling Flash the weakest of Taekbangleessang and how Bisu was god incarnate. You seriously don't know a thing about awful, confrontational, blind and annoying fans if you can't remember the height of Bisu's popularity. Flash fans aren't particularly great, but dear lord the Bisu fans. Dear. Lord. Everyone's fans should learn from Stork's fans. They're the nicest damn people on TL and I always feel like a jerk after seeing Stork lose because his fans are so nice and understanding. =( | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On December 16 2010 14:16 TwoToneTerran wrote:You seriously don't know a thing about awful, confrontational, blind and annoying fans if you can't remember the height of Bisu's popularity. You're right, I don't. I've honestly not been around so long, and I pretty much joined early 2010, so I don't know nearly as much as you do about 2 years ago. I read old LR threads and such to try to, but I really don't. To me, as someone who didn't experience that, I always thought of Stork as the weakest TBLS, and the rise of another terran to be unappealing, because after Nada, Boxer, and Oov, it really seems like it's too easy for terran to reach such a peak. The main reason I like Bisu is because he's the one protoss who has ever shown that protoss can be on par with the other races(I love Stork too, but he just can't win when it really matters), and seeing him get crushed season after season is probably no better than seeing Flash lose that much for Flash fans. And to be honest, no matter how much I've tried, I just can't like Flash. I like Jaedong, Stork, and Savior(I used to like Boxer/Nada a lot but my respect for them kinda waned after they just abandoned everything they created for a chance at some money), but Flash just is too hard to like. But here's what I really want to say: Perhaps Bisu fans were worse then, I can't really know. But right now they're not worse than Flash fans and I'd rather you not pretend they are and talk about how Bisu being so mediocre in comparison is some sort of justice for the fanboyism of 2 years ago. Frankly, doing that now is just spitting on the idea that protoss can be anything but 'pretty good' players that can rake up a decent winrate but just be stomped by the best players(basically, like free or Kal), because Bisu is the only one that ever really managed to be able to win against the best(Stork, again, can't win SLs against other TBLS). Imagine if all the bonjwas were protoss and Flash was the one terran to do anything, and after he declined everyone talked about it as if it was revenge for all his fans. That's basically what being a Bisu fan now is like, because I doubt he'll return to being #1 for a while, if ever. God, writing this made me kinda sad. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On December 15 2010 23:39 Iplaythings wrote: i liked the huge CBNC better I feel like Action deserves to be there for a last minute sprint tbh, hes been consistent last few weeks But otherwise I agree completely, even though I'd put Leta and Baby in light and seas places. Well, honestly last time's CBNC was more of a shoutout list. It's something I like doing as well, but honestly most players on there weren't really "close" to being on the Power Rank. Perhaps I'll just have a separate list for the future. On December 16 2010 01:46 hacklebeast wrote: Solid rankings overall, although hydra is just weird to have on there. Calm deserves a little love, imo. He is 8-4 since november, and he looked good, even in his losses against some of the best vZ players in the game. At least a CBNC. And modesty hasn't qualified yet. If free > fantasy, free > modesty, hydra > fantasy, and modesty losses the tie breaker, then free and hydra advance. Ah yes, I actually did forget all about Calm. I'll give him a bit of leeway for next time, I guess. And you're right about the qualifications (for Stork as well, it's the same case). I just found it very implausible for all that to happen, but I'll change it to make it correct. Thank you! On December 16 2010 02:23 CuteSmallHydra wrote: What do you mean by January trolling? Has she done something lately that negatively impacted Stork's performance? What I meant was January should send Stork for Ace matches instead of sending great or TurN or the likes. On December 16 2010 13:55 SectorX wrote: Nice PR. Don't think many would argue with the positions. However, it would be better if you gave some input on the quality of their games too (as opposed to how the majority of this PR is on statistics). Some personal opinion on how you interpret their play would make it a much better read, and also give it more flavour. This is actually something I tried to do last time, though this time around I was pretty short of time. I'll make an effort to take a more qualitative approach alongside the statistics for next time. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On December 16 2010 14:48 Lightwip wrote: You're right, I don't. I've honestly not been around so long, and I pretty much joined early 2010, so I don't know nearly as much as you do about 2 years ago. I read old LR threads and such to try to, but I really don't. To me, as someone who didn't experience that, I always thought of Stork as the weakest TBLS, and the rise of another terran to be unappealing, because after Nada, Boxer, and Oov, it really seems like it's too easy for terran to reach such a peak. The main reason I like Bisu is because he's the one protoss who has ever shown that protoss can be on par with the other races(I love Stork too, but he just can't win when it really matters), and seeing him get crushed season after season is probably no better than seeing Flash lose that much for Flash fans. And to be honest, no matter how much I've tried, I just can't like Flash. I like Jaedong, Stork, and Savior(I used to like Boxer/Nada a lot but my respect for them kinda waned after they just abandoned everything they created for a chance at some money), but Flash just is too hard to like. But here's what I really want to say: Perhaps Bisu fans were worse then, I can't really know. But right now they're not worse than Flash fans and I'd rather you not pretend they are and talk about how Bisu being so mediocre in comparison is some sort of justice for the fanboyism of 2 years ago. Frankly, doing that now is just spitting on the idea that protoss can be anything but 'pretty good' players that can rake up a decent winrate but just be stomped by the best players(basically, like free or Kal), because Bisu is the only one that ever really managed to be able to win against the best(Stork, again, can't win SLs against other TBLS). Imagine if all the bonjwas were protoss and Flash was the one terran to do anything, and after he declined everyone talked about it as if it was revenge for all his fans. That's basically what being a Bisu fan now is like, because I doubt he'll return to being #1 for a while, if ever. God, writing this made me kinda sad. I seriously give no shits about why you like Bisu, my point is you are trying to compare fans of different players despite only being around when Flash is at his greatest. Flash was the most disheartening player to cheer for because he wasn't doing well for about a year and a half. Bisu was still a favorite over Flash this time last year and you're fucking complaining about his slump, when he's obviously recovering already? I know exactly how you feel about Bisu, only worse because Bisu fans back in the day were even more obnoxious, partly because TL got a major popularity hike around the time of the broodwar GSLs, where Bisu won the second one and an MSL around the same time. You know what Flash gets whenever he becomes bonjwa? SC2 being out and every screwloose, annoying, belligerent tagalong fan going to the new game instead of Flash. If you honestly think Flash fans are bad right now then you have no earthly clue what obnoxious fans are. The races don't matter here, we were talking about their fans, and I sure as hell don't want to hear it from a damn Bisu fan that Flash fans have been obnoxious. Or for that matter an SKT fan doing the same to KT fans. You have no idea. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On December 16 2010 14:16 TwoToneTerran wrote: I spent 2 years with everyone calling Flash the weakest of Taekbangleessang and how Bisu was god incarnate. You seriously don't know a thing about awful, confrontational, blind and annoying fans if you can't remember the height of Bisu's popularity. Flash fans aren't particularly great, but dear lord the Bisu fans. Dear. Lord. Everyone's fans should learn from Stork's fans. They're the nicest damn people on TL and I always feel like a jerk after seeing Stork lose because his fans are so nice and understanding. =( Bisu was the first Protoss in a long, long time to actually hold the #1 spot. Not only that, but he ended Savior's total oppression of Protoss. It was natural that fans would go apeshit. Annoying? Sure. But you kind of had to expect it. Stork's fans aren't nearly as bad as Bisu's, Flash's or JD's, but they can be a little annoying as well. Stork tends to get hyped a lot even when he's not really doing anything special. I can't remember the last time I saw a PR without at least one comment of "Where's Stork" or "Stork should be higher." Stork's an awesome player (the only modern superstar to come from a previous era -- I keep saying it, surviving the generational gap is absurdly hard and takes unbelievable talent), but he often gets acknowledged over other players who are every bit as deserving.on a month-to-month basis. Stork is the kind of player who can suddenly bust out with a bonjwa-breaking performance at any time but the rest of his games that month may be average, but it will always be enough to give him the nod over a player with a more solid overall performance. This month, of course, Stork is looking solid, but in general he's a little less consistent, and his record over the past 2 years more modest. | ||
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
On December 16 2010 01:46 hacklebeast wrote: And modesty hasn't qualified yet. If free > fantasy, free > modesty, hydra > fantasy, and modesty losses the tie breaker, then free and hydra advance. Hahahah, free winning games ...  | ||
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