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VictorJones
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States235 Posts
December 19 2010 22:42 GMT
#121
I actually agree with this entire PR. Good call on Bisu even though I have a man-crush on him, he is playing very well but not well enough to be at the top of PR given his lack of individual league wins. As to Flash, his TvT is not as incomprehensibly powerful as i'm used to. Losing to ssak? Really? That being said, he did cut Paralyze despite having the inferior hair-style so he's still #1 by a lot :3
DracoVolantus
Profile Joined February 2010
Poland236 Posts
December 19 2010 23:15 GMT
#122
On December 20 2010 05:31 StylishVODs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2010 14:42 MuffinDude wrote:
SC2 is a much faster game than SC1. Watching a BO7 of BW will be long and tiring and not enjoyable. BO5 is fine.


I also think that part of the issue here is that sc2 players doesn't know the game as well as bw-players yet (ofcourse) so they really don't know how to handle the different aggressive openings yet. Most games are so short nowadays but I'm guessing they'll get longer and longer as the strategies develops.

Bo5 is best for BW imo. Makes every game enough important to win while it still is enough games to get in mind games and usually to determine the better player.



You have no idea how it more than Bo5 would affect ego,
You can't say someone was broken
by all-in in fifth game in first 3 minutes.

I'm talking You have no idea, how playing Bo5 4 days stright
would improve the quality of games. Most people would enjoy
it less but it's not the point, are money from people watching games live,
and they don't have enough spirit to watch it, do they?
EX CATHEDRA!
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4743 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-19 23:38:40
December 19 2010 23:37 GMT
#123
On December 20 2010 08:15 DracoVolantus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2010 05:31 StylishVODs wrote:
On December 18 2010 14:42 MuffinDude wrote:
SC2 is a much faster game than SC1. Watching a BO7 of BW will be long and tiring and not enjoyable. BO5 is fine.


I also think that part of the issue here is that sc2 players doesn't know the game as well as bw-players yet (ofcourse) so they really don't know how to handle the different aggressive openings yet. Most games are so short nowadays but I'm guessing they'll get longer and longer as the strategies develops.

Bo5 is best for BW imo. Makes every game enough important to win while it still is enough games to get in mind games and usually to determine the better player.



You have no idea how it more than Bo5 would affect ego,
You can't say someone was broken
by all-in in fifth game in first 3 minutes.

I'm talking You have no idea, how playing Bo5 4 days stright
would improve the quality of games. Most people would enjoy
it less but it's not the point, are money from people watching games live,
and they don't have enough spirit to watch it, do they?


Please, you have to fix your english, your posts are mostly unreadable. You cannot argue with someone you don't even understand.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
December 20 2010 00:26 GMT
#124
Yeah you slightly lost me there
However, Im just phrasing my oppinion, not a fact.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 20 2010 00:29 GMT
#125
I generally have no idea what he's trying to say in his posts. It's like he's been using Google translate or something.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-20 01:16:05
December 20 2010 01:09 GMT
#126
On December 20 2010 07:42 VictorJones wrote:
As to Flash, his TvT is not as incomprehensibly powerful as i'm used to. Losing to ssak? Really?


I haven't watched those games from MSL, but it should be said that every now and again people start figuring out Flash's current style, so then he makes a few minor modifications and he's good to go again. This isn't as much of a mark against his TvT as people would like to think...

You have to take results in context. The same goes with SC2. People complain about "worse" players winning because they figure out a "broken" strategy. Well... what do you expect? SC2 is still pretty early on in terms of pioneering. It's getting pioneered faster than SCBW did, but then that's also to be expected given replays and given knowledge carried over. Consequently, the pro scene there is very unstable.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
December 20 2010 01:10 GMT
#127
On December 20 2010 09:29 Holgerius wrote:
I generally have no idea what he's trying to say in his posts. It's like he's been using Google translate or something.


I have to agree... The only thing I've been able to figure out up to now is that he's apparently a Flash fan, which is good. He seems to be an even bigger Kal fan though, which is not good. Everything else is a complete mystery to me...
"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 20 2010 01:11 GMT
#128
The day he loses a Bo5 vs a Terran I'll be worried.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
December 20 2010 01:14 GMT
#129
On December 20 2010 10:09 Mortality wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2010 07:42 VictorJones wrote:
As to Flash, his TvT is not as incomprehensibly powerful as i'm used to. Losing to ssak? Really?


I haven't watched those games from MSL, but it should be said that every now and again people start figuring out Flash's current style, so then he makes a few minor modifications and he's good to go again. This isn't as much of a mark against his TvT as people would like to think...

Well, remember that this PR was written a day before the MSL games...
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
December 20 2010 01:19 GMT
#130
On December 20 2010 10:14 flamewheel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2010 10:09 Mortality wrote:
On December 20 2010 07:42 VictorJones wrote:
As to Flash, his TvT is not as incomprehensibly powerful as i'm used to. Losing to ssak? Really?


I haven't watched those games from MSL, but it should be said that every now and again people start figuring out Flash's current style, so then he makes a few minor modifications and he's good to go again. This isn't as much of a mark against his TvT as people would like to think...

Well, remember that this PR was written a day before the MSL games...


I'm well aware. But even if it weren't, I'd probably have kept Flash as #1, given that there was some risk of JD dropping until Fantasy started slumping. It's just that the gap between #1 and #6 would have been less on paper.

My view on where a player falls on the skill spectrum is much less reactionary than most peoples...
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
December 20 2010 01:50 GMT
#131
On December 20 2010 10:19 Mortality wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2010 10:14 flamewheel wrote:
On December 20 2010 10:09 Mortality wrote:
On December 20 2010 07:42 VictorJones wrote:
As to Flash, his TvT is not as incomprehensibly powerful as i'm used to. Losing to ssak? Really?


I haven't watched those games from MSL, but it should be said that every now and again people start figuring out Flash's current style, so then he makes a few minor modifications and he's good to go again. This isn't as much of a mark against his TvT as people would like to think...

Well, remember that this PR was written a day before the MSL games...


I'm well aware. But even if it weren't, I'd probably have kept Flash as #1, given that there was some risk of JD dropping until Fantasy started slumping. It's just that the gap between #1 and #6 would have been less on paper.

My view on where a player falls on the skill spectrum is much less reactionary than most peoples...

Oh oh I was talking to the guy that you quoted haha.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
December 20 2010 11:41 GMT
#132
Flash dropping out of MSL was a bump in the road ofcourse. But I wouldn't say he should have dropped a spot for that. Seriously, no dual finals for a change isn't that bad is it...
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5600 Posts
December 20 2010 11:51 GMT
#133
On December 20 2010 20:41 StylishVODs wrote:
Flash dropping out of MSL was a bump in the road ofcourse. But I wouldn't say he should have dropped a spot for that. Seriously, no dual finals for a change isn't that bad is it...

He lost to two no names in straight up games. It is not the end of the world but of course it should count on the power rank ffs! I think PR becomes more and more conservative for every month - when I first came to TL, PR was alot more about the month at hand.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 20 2010 11:57 GMT
#134
I personally would've kept Flash at #1 even if I had made the PR after him getting knocked out. Sure, I'm a hardcore Flash fanboy, but I would've done the same thing for JD if he had done what Flash has.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
December 20 2010 12:39 GMT
#135
If Flash gets knocked out in OSL I think he deserves to be bumped a few spots.
But getting knocked out in the Ro32 is kinda significant. A #1 shouldn't be knocked out that early.
Jaedong has a good enough record this season, but he lost to the likes of Hydra, along with losses against Zero, Stork and Light(aka the 3 best opponents he played)... that would've been reason to bump him off #2 if not for Fanta fail.
If JD keeps a good record this month then maybe he should get #1. The fact is, if Jaedong can show that he's not shaky in any MUs while Flash is beatable in 1, then who's more deserving of being called #1?
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-20 13:01:44
December 20 2010 13:00 GMT
#136
Fact; JD has 3 wins in his last 10 ZvTs. Tough opponents, sure, but he is not looking unbeatable by any means.

Flash still deserves a fuckton of benefit of doubt.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
December 20 2010 13:03 GMT
#137
I don't know, I think Jaedong's ZvT is looking pretty shaky...
But then again 5/10 have been to Flash and 2/10 to Light.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
December 20 2010 13:05 GMT
#138
You know what, forget what I said before. If Jaedong is playing like an '09 Flash he doesn't deserve #1.
Although if he wasn't, I'd say he should be considered over Flash. His TvT has looked beatable for a while honestly, just his opponents love choking.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5600 Posts
December 20 2010 13:11 GMT
#139
On December 20 2010 21:39 Lightwip wrote:
If Flash gets knocked out in OSL I think he deserves to be bumped a few spots.
But getting knocked out in the Ro32 is kinda significant. A #1 shouldn't be knocked out that early.
Jaedong has a good enough record this season, but he lost to the likes of Hydra, along with losses against Zero, Stork and Light(aka the 3 best opponents he played)... that would've been reason to bump him off #2 if not for Fanta fail.
If JD keeps a good record this month then maybe he should get #1. The fact is, if Jaedong can show that he's not shaky in any MUs while Flash is beatable in 1, then who's more deserving of being called #1?

Did you see the hydra game? I don't know why every one is talking about that game it was a 9-pool all-in against good defense, not much to talk about. Jaedong has to show that he can play well vs T though.

If Jaedong makes it in the OSL he is ofc #1.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 20 2010 13:19 GMT
#140
That depends on what criterion you have.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
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