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On May 01 2010 18:40 Vasoline73 wrote:
Yeah guys KT would preform worse than ACE if they didn't have Flash! Herp durp.
They would probably be a middle of the pack team... :/
They definitely would not be a "middle of the pack" team when the true "middle of the pack" teams are guys like CJ Entus, Samsung Khan, and Wemade Fox.
Let's be serious, a Flash-less KT would be lead by Forgg, Stats, Violet and a whole bunch of random zergs that are only moderately good at a single matchup. That's not a particularly bright lineup.
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On May 01 2010 18:21 Kwanroller wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2010 17:18 SuperArc wrote:On May 01 2010 16:35 Iplaythings wrote:On May 01 2010 02:56 Holgerius wrote:On May 01 2010 02:23 LucasWoJ wrote:On April 30 2010 21:56 Holgerius wrote:
PL vs Samsung on the 5th, MSL Bo5 vs MVP on the 6th and then OSL Bo5 vs Pure on the 7th. =/ That's such a backbreakingly brutal schedule. He should, IMO, pull a JD and focus on getting the Golden Mouse and just hope that his basic skills are good enough to get him through MVP. Getting burned out by being retardedly overworked is the only thing that can stop Flash from keeping up his extreme domination. err, passive-aggressive much? lol Jaedong focused for proleague finals much more than he did for the OSL in August. In fact, he didn't really practice for his finals against yarnc because of the free agency nonsense.There was no need to bring him up. Pulling a JD might more accurately mean "winning LWWW-" or beating an opponent after losing in an earlier encounter. I did not mean vs Yarnc, I meant the semi-finals. He had, just like Flash now, Bo5's in consecutive days and he, seemingly, focused a lot more on his games in OSL vs Fantasy than his games in MSL vs Calm. Flash should do the same thing; put focus on beating Pure so he can get the Golden Mouse. OSL>>>MSL in every single way. Didnt hurt him last season, and Violet / Stats / fOrGG has taken over ace match duties, as much as oz is Hiya - JD (and to an extent Killer) KT is having more "Hiya's" who arent the actual ace player but someone who can pick the duty up... tempoarily. Also everyone has seemed to forget how many of KT's players that can suddenly play really well unexpected, Stats is the only player on the team who havent had a slump, Violet had tough games during WL, If Luxury started to not throw matches away and got "clean" again he would certainly make the team dominant. Remember Season 1 ? Yeah it wasn't pretty. It's easy to say that KT's team is good when you have Flash who gets a sure win almost every match. KT without Flash would be lucky to just get the score to 2-2. KT is only a Oz with Flash. Definitely not, KT is worse than that. Hiya has always been a very acceptable proleague terran, Lomo/Backho are dumb players but still good enough to win around 50% of the time, and Jaedong can take down anyone in the ace match. KT was useless in 08/10 proleague and they're already reverted back to their useless selves after an awesome round 1. Not a single KT player, except obviously Flash, can be expected to win and with the whole team showing motivational problems, they'd probably perform worse than ACE.
Well, your argument would sound much better if KT didn't wipe the floor with Oz couple of days ago...
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On May 01 2010 20:08 adelarge wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2010 18:21 Kwanroller wrote:On May 01 2010 17:18 SuperArc wrote:On May 01 2010 16:35 Iplaythings wrote:On May 01 2010 02:56 Holgerius wrote:On May 01 2010 02:23 LucasWoJ wrote:On April 30 2010 21:56 Holgerius wrote:
PL vs Samsung on the 5th, MSL Bo5 vs MVP on the 6th and then OSL Bo5 vs Pure on the 7th. =/ That's such a backbreakingly brutal schedule. He should, IMO, pull a JD and focus on getting the Golden Mouse and just hope that his basic skills are good enough to get him through MVP. Getting burned out by being retardedly overworked is the only thing that can stop Flash from keeping up his extreme domination. err, passive-aggressive much? lol Jaedong focused for proleague finals much more than he did for the OSL in August. In fact, he didn't really practice for his finals against yarnc because of the free agency nonsense.There was no need to bring him up. Pulling a JD might more accurately mean "winning LWWW-" or beating an opponent after losing in an earlier encounter. I did not mean vs Yarnc, I meant the semi-finals. He had, just like Flash now, Bo5's in consecutive days and he, seemingly, focused a lot more on his games in OSL vs Fantasy than his games in MSL vs Calm. Flash should do the same thing; put focus on beating Pure so he can get the Golden Mouse. OSL>>>MSL in every single way. Didnt hurt him last season, and Violet / Stats / fOrGG has taken over ace match duties, as much as oz is Hiya - JD (and to an extent Killer) KT is having more "Hiya's" who arent the actual ace player but someone who can pick the duty up... tempoarily. Also everyone has seemed to forget how many of KT's players that can suddenly play really well unexpected, Stats is the only player on the team who havent had a slump, Violet had tough games during WL, If Luxury started to not throw matches away and got "clean" again he would certainly make the team dominant. Remember Season 1 ? Yeah it wasn't pretty. It's easy to say that KT's team is good when you have Flash who gets a sure win almost every match. KT without Flash would be lucky to just get the score to 2-2. KT is only a Oz with Flash. Definitely not, KT is worse than that. Hiya has always been a very acceptable proleague terran, Lomo/Backho are dumb players but still good enough to win around 50% of the time, and Jaedong can take down anyone in the ace match. KT was useless in 08/10 proleague and they're already reverted back to their useless selves after an awesome round 1. Not a single KT player, except obviously Flash, can be expected to win and with the whole team showing motivational problems, they'd probably perform worse than ACE. Well, your argument would sound much better if KT didn't wipe the floor with Oz couple of days ago...
Even Oz can go 3-0 from time to time, this doesn't mean anything.
But I have to agree with Kwanroller, Hiya/Killer/BackHo/Lomo look better than Forgg/Violet/Stats/Firefist
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On May 01 2010 20:18 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2010 20:08 adelarge wrote:On May 01 2010 18:21 Kwanroller wrote:On May 01 2010 17:18 SuperArc wrote:On May 01 2010 16:35 Iplaythings wrote:On May 01 2010 02:56 Holgerius wrote:On May 01 2010 02:23 LucasWoJ wrote:On April 30 2010 21:56 Holgerius wrote:
PL vs Samsung on the 5th, MSL Bo5 vs MVP on the 6th and then OSL Bo5 vs Pure on the 7th. =/ That's such a backbreakingly brutal schedule. He should, IMO, pull a JD and focus on getting the Golden Mouse and just hope that his basic skills are good enough to get him through MVP. Getting burned out by being retardedly overworked is the only thing that can stop Flash from keeping up his extreme domination. err, passive-aggressive much? lol Jaedong focused for proleague finals much more than he did for the OSL in August. In fact, he didn't really practice for his finals against yarnc because of the free agency nonsense.There was no need to bring him up. Pulling a JD might more accurately mean "winning LWWW-" or beating an opponent after losing in an earlier encounter. I did not mean vs Yarnc, I meant the semi-finals. He had, just like Flash now, Bo5's in consecutive days and he, seemingly, focused a lot more on his games in OSL vs Fantasy than his games in MSL vs Calm. Flash should do the same thing; put focus on beating Pure so he can get the Golden Mouse. OSL>>>MSL in every single way. Didnt hurt him last season, and Violet / Stats / fOrGG has taken over ace match duties, as much as oz is Hiya - JD (and to an extent Killer) KT is having more "Hiya's" who arent the actual ace player but someone who can pick the duty up... tempoarily. Also everyone has seemed to forget how many of KT's players that can suddenly play really well unexpected, Stats is the only player on the team who havent had a slump, Violet had tough games during WL, If Luxury started to not throw matches away and got "clean" again he would certainly make the team dominant. Remember Season 1 ? Yeah it wasn't pretty. It's easy to say that KT's team is good when you have Flash who gets a sure win almost every match. KT without Flash would be lucky to just get the score to 2-2. KT is only a Oz with Flash. Definitely not, KT is worse than that. Hiya has always been a very acceptable proleague terran, Lomo/Backho are dumb players but still good enough to win around 50% of the time, and Jaedong can take down anyone in the ace match. KT was useless in 08/10 proleague and they're already reverted back to their useless selves after an awesome round 1. Not a single KT player, except obviously Flash, can be expected to win and with the whole team showing motivational problems, they'd probably perform worse than ACE. Well, your argument would sound much better if KT didn't wipe the floor with Oz couple of days ago... Even Oz can go 3-0 from time to time, this doesn't mean anything. But I have to agree with Kwanroller, Hiya/Killer/BackHo/Lomo look better than Forgg/Violet/Stats/Firefist
BackHo!? When did BackHo play his last televised game? There was a time when he was a half-decent Protoss, but there's no telling how it is/would be nowadays. And Lomo? I admit he played quite decently against Flash, but before that? When was his last televised game and how did it go? Lomo hasn't played many games for Oz and when he did, he lost most of them. Killer is ok I guess, but he has been losing more than winning too lately. Hiya is the only Oz player apart from Jaedong I'd really call 'good'.
Now let's look at KT. ForGG has been doing ok recently and I'd take him over Killer any day. Violet seems to have finally gotten his shit together and is performing again. Stats is a decent player with lots of potential and has shown results lately. And Firefist... ok, he's bad, I'll give you that. But apart from that I'd take KT without Flash over Oz without Jaedong any day.
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On May 01 2010 20:18 SuperArc wrote:
But I have to agree with Kwanroller, Hiya/Killer/BackHo/Lomo look better than Forgg/Violet/Stats/Firefist
Oz has two players who win more than they lose (Hiya and JD).
KT has four players who win more than they lose (Flash, Stats, Violet, ForGG).
Yeah.
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On May 01 2010 20:31 Mooncat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2010 20:18 SuperArc wrote:On May 01 2010 20:08 adelarge wrote:On May 01 2010 18:21 Kwanroller wrote:On May 01 2010 17:18 SuperArc wrote:On May 01 2010 16:35 Iplaythings wrote:On May 01 2010 02:56 Holgerius wrote:On May 01 2010 02:23 LucasWoJ wrote:On April 30 2010 21:56 Holgerius wrote:
PL vs Samsung on the 5th, MSL Bo5 vs MVP on the 6th and then OSL Bo5 vs Pure on the 7th. =/ That's such a backbreakingly brutal schedule. He should, IMO, pull a JD and focus on getting the Golden Mouse and just hope that his basic skills are good enough to get him through MVP. Getting burned out by being retardedly overworked is the only thing that can stop Flash from keeping up his extreme domination. err, passive-aggressive much? lol Jaedong focused for proleague finals much more than he did for the OSL in August. In fact, he didn't really practice for his finals against yarnc because of the free agency nonsense.There was no need to bring him up. Pulling a JD might more accurately mean "winning LWWW-" or beating an opponent after losing in an earlier encounter. I did not mean vs Yarnc, I meant the semi-finals. He had, just like Flash now, Bo5's in consecutive days and he, seemingly, focused a lot more on his games in OSL vs Fantasy than his games in MSL vs Calm. Flash should do the same thing; put focus on beating Pure so he can get the Golden Mouse. OSL>>>MSL in every single way. Didnt hurt him last season, and Violet / Stats / fOrGG has taken over ace match duties, as much as oz is Hiya - JD (and to an extent Killer) KT is having more "Hiya's" who arent the actual ace player but someone who can pick the duty up... tempoarily. Also everyone has seemed to forget how many of KT's players that can suddenly play really well unexpected, Stats is the only player on the team who havent had a slump, Violet had tough games during WL, If Luxury started to not throw matches away and got "clean" again he would certainly make the team dominant. Remember Season 1 ? Yeah it wasn't pretty. It's easy to say that KT's team is good when you have Flash who gets a sure win almost every match. KT without Flash would be lucky to just get the score to 2-2. KT is only a Oz with Flash. Definitely not, KT is worse than that. Hiya has always been a very acceptable proleague terran, Lomo/Backho are dumb players but still good enough to win around 50% of the time, and Jaedong can take down anyone in the ace match. KT was useless in 08/10 proleague and they're already reverted back to their useless selves after an awesome round 1. Not a single KT player, except obviously Flash, can be expected to win and with the whole team showing motivational problems, they'd probably perform worse than ACE. Well, your argument would sound much better if KT didn't wipe the floor with Oz couple of days ago... Even Oz can go 3-0 from time to time, this doesn't mean anything. But I have to agree with Kwanroller, Hiya/Killer/BackHo/Lomo look better than Forgg/Violet/Stats/Firefist BackHo!? When did BackHo play his last televised game? There was a time when he was a half-decent Protoss, but there's no telling how it is/would be nowadays. And Lomo? I admit he played quite decently against Flash, but before that? When was his last televised game and how did it go? Lomo hasn't played many games for Oz and when he did, he lost most of them. Killer is ok I guess, but he has been losing more than winning too lately. Hiya is the only Oz player apart from Jaedong I'd really call 'good'. Now let's look at KT. ForGG has been doing ok recently and I'd take him over Killer any day. Violet seems to have finally gotten his shit together and is performing again. Stats is a decent player with lots of potential and has shown results lately. And Firefist... ok, he's bad, I'll give you that. But apart from that I'd take KT without Flash over Oz without Jaedong any day.
BackHo is injured that's why he's missing. 
Forgg and Killer are to be rated the same (one killer matchup, one horrible one and one decent one), Hiya is better than Stats and Violet has been a monster in round 1, yes, but since then his play has been decent at best. Lomo won the last televised game before his game against Flash btw.
Stats << Hiya
Forgg = Killer
Violet > Lomo
and fourth player by both are abysmal. Oz and KT are really so similar, it's scary.
On May 01 2010 20:33 Trap wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2010 20:18 SuperArc wrote:
But I have to agree with Kwanroller, Hiya/Killer/BackHo/Lomo look better than Forgg/Violet/Stats/Firefist Oz has two players who win more than they lose (Hiya and JD). KT has four players who win more than they lose (Flash, Stats, Violet, ForGG). Yeah.
ForGG loses more than he wins.
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No... check TLPD. And sorry, but ForGG's worst matchup at 45% is not comparable to Killer's abysmal 20% ZvT.
ForGG
All: 124-110 (52.99%)
vT: 44-44 (50.00%)
vZ: 43-21 (67.19%)
vP: 37-45 (45.12%)
Killer
All: 25-32 (43.86%)
vT: 4-16 (20.00%)
vZ: 10-10 (50.00%)
vP: 11-6 (64.71%)
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On May 01 2010 21:03 Trap wrote:
No... check TLPD. And sorry, but ForGG's worst matchup at 45% is not comparable to Killer's abysmal 20% ZvT.
ForGG
All: 124-110 (52.99%)
vT: 44-44 (50.00%)
vZ: 43-21 (67.19%)
vP: 37-45 (45.12%)
Killer
All: 25-32 (43.86%)
vT: 4-16 (20.00%)
vZ: 10-10 (50.00%)
vP: 11-6 (64.71%)
Oh my god... I'll just ignore this post.
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It's true that with KT's performance in proleague lately they would probably be down with ACE on the bottom without flash.
Only stats has about 50% win
both violet and forgg can't be expected to win a game of proleague..
I wonder if they'd perform better without flash...
same goes with Oz.
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On May 01 2010 21:05 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2010 21:03 Trap wrote:
No... check TLPD. And sorry, but ForGG's worst matchup at 45% is not comparable to Killer's abysmal 20% ZvT.
ForGG
All: 124-110 (52.99%)
vT: 44-44 (50.00%)
vZ: 43-21 (67.19%)
vP: 37-45 (45.12%)
Killer
All: 25-32 (43.86%)
vT: 4-16 (20.00%)
vZ: 10-10 (50.00%)
vP: 11-6 (64.71%) Oh my god... I'll just ignore this post.
Umm...wtf? Even if he just quoted TLPD it's still obvious that forgg is way better than killer.
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On May 01 2010 20:18 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2010 20:08 adelarge wrote:On May 01 2010 18:21 Kwanroller wrote:On May 01 2010 17:18 SuperArc wrote:On May 01 2010 16:35 Iplaythings wrote:On May 01 2010 02:56 Holgerius wrote:On May 01 2010 02:23 LucasWoJ wrote:On April 30 2010 21:56 Holgerius wrote:
PL vs Samsung on the 5th, MSL Bo5 vs MVP on the 6th and then OSL Bo5 vs Pure on the 7th. =/ That's such a backbreakingly brutal schedule. He should, IMO, pull a JD and focus on getting the Golden Mouse and just hope that his basic skills are good enough to get him through MVP. Getting burned out by being retardedly overworked is the only thing that can stop Flash from keeping up his extreme domination. err, passive-aggressive much? lol Jaedong focused for proleague finals much more than he did for the OSL in August. In fact, he didn't really practice for his finals against yarnc because of the free agency nonsense.There was no need to bring him up. Pulling a JD might more accurately mean "winning LWWW-" or beating an opponent after losing in an earlier encounter. I did not mean vs Yarnc, I meant the semi-finals. He had, just like Flash now, Bo5's in consecutive days and he, seemingly, focused a lot more on his games in OSL vs Fantasy than his games in MSL vs Calm. Flash should do the same thing; put focus on beating Pure so he can get the Golden Mouse. OSL>>>MSL in every single way. Didnt hurt him last season, and Violet / Stats / fOrGG has taken over ace match duties, as much as oz is Hiya - JD (and to an extent Killer) KT is having more "Hiya's" who arent the actual ace player but someone who can pick the duty up... tempoarily. Also everyone has seemed to forget how many of KT's players that can suddenly play really well unexpected, Stats is the only player on the team who havent had a slump, Violet had tough games during WL, If Luxury started to not throw matches away and got "clean" again he would certainly make the team dominant. Remember Season 1 ? Yeah it wasn't pretty. It's easy to say that KT's team is good when you have Flash who gets a sure win almost every match. KT without Flash would be lucky to just get the score to 2-2. KT is only a Oz with Flash. Definitely not, KT is worse than that. Hiya has always been a very acceptable proleague terran, Lomo/Backho are dumb players but still good enough to win around 50% of the time, and Jaedong can take down anyone in the ace match. KT was useless in 08/10 proleague and they're already reverted back to their useless selves after an awesome round 1. Not a single KT player, except obviously Flash, can be expected to win and with the whole team showing motivational problems, they'd probably perform worse than ACE. Well, your argument would sound much better if KT didn't wipe the floor with Oz couple of days ago... Even Oz can go 3-0 from time to time, this doesn't mean anything. But I have to agree with Kwanroller, Hiya/Killer/BackHo/Lomo look better than Forgg/Violet/Stats/Firefist
You are absolutely correct! One 3:0 doesn't mean anything, so lets take a look at whole proleague, shall we?
KT Rolster 3-0 Hwaseung OZ
(Z) Luxury > (Z)Killer on Tornado
(Z)815 > (Z)Jaedong on Heartbreak Ridge
(T) Flash > (T)HiyA on Moon Glaive
KT Rolster 3-0 Hwaseung OZ
(Z)815 > (Z)ggaemo on Outsider SE
(T)Flash > (T)HiyA on Neo Moon Glaive
(P) Violet > (P)BackHo on New Heartbreak Ridge
KT Rolster 4-3 Hwaseung OZ
(T)fOrGG > (Z)Killer on Match Point
(T)fOrGG < (T)HiyA on Neo Moon Glaive
(P)Violet < (T)HiyA on Fighting Spirit
(Z)HoeJJa > (T)HiyA on Roadrunner
(Z)HoeJJa > (Z)ggaemo on New Tornado
(Z)HoeJJa < (Z)Jaedong on Judgment Day
(T)Flash > (Z)Jaedong on Match Point
KT Rolster 3-0 Hwaseung OZ
(Z)Jaedong < Roadrunner > (T)fOrGG
(T)Lomo < Polaris Rhapsody > (T)Flash
(T)HiyA < Fighting Spirit > (P)Violet
That's 3 times 3:0, every time those teams meat in regular proleague in fact. Only in Winners league the Oz was able to put some fight, mainly thanks to Hiya.
Also worth to notice is that in every match, Flash played only one game, no needed for him to play ace in proleague or kill whole Oz in winners league.
Really, you can argue how much do you want, but these stats speaks for themselves.
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Unfortunately, I'm going to have to agree that KT would do horribly without Flash. Just look at the numbers:
KT is +42 G-L
Flash is +41 G-L (47-6)
So KT without Flash would be +1, doesn't sound so bad, middle of the range maybe, but thats forgetting one important thing. Without Flash their 4th or 5th best player would have to play all those games instead of him. Hoejja vs Sea, Barracks vs Kal and so on. KT wouldn't necessarily be last but definately bottom 3 without Flash, sad as that makes me to say.
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They were doing pretty well for the first two rounds. So they slumped the last half of WL and a couple of matches this round. Big deal.
For a given team, you take away their best player, and of course they're going to do significantly worse. That might be a bit more true for KT since their best player happens to be the best player overall, but it's a cheat to just reduce them down to "Ace without Flash". They're still way way ahead of everybody else.
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On May 01 2010 20:52 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2010 20:31 Mooncat wrote:On May 01 2010 20:18 SuperArc wrote:On May 01 2010 20:08 adelarge wrote:On May 01 2010 18:21 Kwanroller wrote:On May 01 2010 17:18 SuperArc wrote:On May 01 2010 16:35 Iplaythings wrote:On May 01 2010 02:56 Holgerius wrote:On May 01 2010 02:23 LucasWoJ wrote:On April 30 2010 21:56 Holgerius wrote:
PL vs Samsung on the 5th, MSL Bo5 vs MVP on the 6th and then OSL Bo5 vs Pure on the 7th. =/ That's such a backbreakingly brutal schedule. He should, IMO, pull a JD and focus on getting the Golden Mouse and just hope that his basic skills are good enough to get him through MVP. Getting burned out by being retardedly overworked is the only thing that can stop Flash from keeping up his extreme domination. err, passive-aggressive much? lol Jaedong focused for proleague finals much more than he did for the OSL in August. In fact, he didn't really practice for his finals against yarnc because of the free agency nonsense.There was no need to bring him up. Pulling a JD might more accurately mean "winning LWWW-" or beating an opponent after losing in an earlier encounter. I did not mean vs Yarnc, I meant the semi-finals. He had, just like Flash now, Bo5's in consecutive days and he, seemingly, focused a lot more on his games in OSL vs Fantasy than his games in MSL vs Calm. Flash should do the same thing; put focus on beating Pure so he can get the Golden Mouse. OSL>>>MSL in every single way. Didnt hurt him last season, and Violet / Stats / fOrGG has taken over ace match duties, as much as oz is Hiya - JD (and to an extent Killer) KT is having more "Hiya's" who arent the actual ace player but someone who can pick the duty up... tempoarily. Also everyone has seemed to forget how many of KT's players that can suddenly play really well unexpected, Stats is the only player on the team who havent had a slump, Violet had tough games during WL, If Luxury started to not throw matches away and got "clean" again he would certainly make the team dominant. Remember Season 1 ? Yeah it wasn't pretty. It's easy to say that KT's team is good when you have Flash who gets a sure win almost every match. KT without Flash would be lucky to just get the score to 2-2. KT is only a Oz with Flash. Definitely not, KT is worse than that. Hiya has always been a very acceptable proleague terran, Lomo/Backho are dumb players but still good enough to win around 50% of the time, and Jaedong can take down anyone in the ace match. KT was useless in 08/10 proleague and they're already reverted back to their useless selves after an awesome round 1. Not a single KT player, except obviously Flash, can be expected to win and with the whole team showing motivational problems, they'd probably perform worse than ACE. Well, your argument would sound much better if KT didn't wipe the floor with Oz couple of days ago... Even Oz can go 3-0 from time to time, this doesn't mean anything. But I have to agree with Kwanroller, Hiya/Killer/BackHo/Lomo look better than Forgg/Violet/Stats/Firefist BackHo!? When did BackHo play his last televised game? There was a time when he was a half-decent Protoss, but there's no telling how it is/would be nowadays. And Lomo? I admit he played quite decently against Flash, but before that? When was his last televised game and how did it go? Lomo hasn't played many games for Oz and when he did, he lost most of them. Killer is ok I guess, but he has been losing more than winning too lately. Hiya is the only Oz player apart from Jaedong I'd really call 'good'. Now let's look at KT. ForGG has been doing ok recently and I'd take him over Killer any day. Violet seems to have finally gotten his shit together and is performing again. Stats is a decent player with lots of potential and has shown results lately. And Firefist... ok, he's bad, I'll give you that. But apart from that I'd take KT without Flash over Oz without Jaedong any day. BackHo is injured that's why he's missing. Forgg and Killer are to be rated the same (one killer matchup, one horrible one and one decent one), Hiya is better than Stats and Violet has been a monster in round 1, yes, but since then his play has been decent at best. Lomo won the last televised game before his game against Flash btw. Stats << Hiya Forgg = Killer Violet > Lomo and fourth player by both are abysmal. Oz and KT are really so similar, it's scary. Show nested quote +On May 01 2010 20:33 Trap wrote:On May 01 2010 20:18 SuperArc wrote:
But I have to agree with Kwanroller, Hiya/Killer/BackHo/Lomo look better than Forgg/Violet/Stats/Firefist Oz has two players who win more than they lose (Hiya and JD). KT has four players who win more than they lose (Flash, Stats, Violet, ForGG). Yeah. ForGG loses more than he wins.
What the fuck are you talking about ?
Forgg has 1 awesome mu? TvZ i bet you mean.
His tvt is mediocore? Fine, can live with that but he nearly beat sea at fighting spirit
tvp horrible? GTFO he went 2-1 vs Kal. Let me rephrase that, he went 2-1 vs the argueably the best pvt'er there is. Kal's PvT is only contested by Stork's and Free's.
Trap I have no idea how you are that misinformed...
Also, keep in mind that the only reason why we aren't talking about Stats' PvT is because he was smashed by Sea in the WL...
Also, be more forgiving at Killer, he can showcase great zvt... just not inconsistently.
Remember before flaming KT, make the same arguement for Samsung Khan, Hite and Oz. KT isnt the only team relying on their ace.
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What I meant was compared to his TvZ forgg's TvP is mediocre.
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On May 01 2010 22:16 writer22816 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2010 21:05 SuperArc wrote:On May 01 2010 21:03 Trap wrote:
No... check TLPD. And sorry, but ForGG's worst matchup at 45% is not comparable to Killer's abysmal 20% ZvT.
ForGG
All: 124-110 (52.99%)
vT: 44-44 (50.00%)
vZ: 43-21 (67.19%)
vP: 37-45 (45.12%)
Killer
All: 25-32 (43.86%)
vT: 4-16 (20.00%)
vZ: 10-10 (50.00%)
vP: 11-6 (64.71%) Oh my god... I'll just ignore this post. Umm...wtf? Even if he just quoted TLPD it's still obvious that forgg is way better than killer.
It's because forGG won most of those games when he was still on Oz
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power rank= place where flash fans congregate to orgasm at flash's performance then rage at anyone who insults kt
edit: forgg is definitely worse than killer, he has a 28% and 36% winrate against terrans and protosses this year, yeah he can bash zergs but so can every other terran
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Here's my list. Only really confident in ordering of top 4, the rest can really go in any order.
flash
jaedong
free
kal
pure
midas
hiya
MVP
effort
shuttle
CBNC:
great
sea
light
baby
zero
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Well ForGG haven't been showing great TvP lately.
He didn't go 2-1 vs kal, he went 1-2 winning only the game where he scouted 12nex first and rushed it on closepos.
ForGG is 3-7 in his last 10 games of proleague.
His last 5 games TvP and TvT is 1-4 while his TvZ is 5-0.
You can't currently count on him winning a game for KT unless it's a TvZ.
I really hope he can get his shit together after his OSL run where he might have gained some confidence.
He's playing too much all in style to win consistantly.
There's a reason why KT and Oz is referred to as "one man teams".
Oz's hope is hiya and killer while KT's hope was Luxury and violet:/ Right now though I really hope forgg and stats can start playing better.
iamho: If you read the posts you'd know it's not true. (apart from praising flash that is... but why not praise him? I bet you'd praise your favourite player if he was as dominant as flash)
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baby doesn't belong on cbnc
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EPT
